How far does this go....on BaT

[NYNick]

I don't know; looks pretty good to me. As someone who's just been down the restoration road, there's a lot that doesn't need to be done to drive and enjoy. 

 

There's no way it's a $50 or $60K car however, IMHO. There's too much that would need to be done to get it to those prices. $40K? Maybe, because it's a one owner car. I'm thinking mid $30's.

 

Some people don't want to tinker. I would want to drive it before bidding though. It would make a fine C&C car, as long as it drives well. After all, that's what really matters, at least to me.

[bob02]

My cars would need anti depression meds if I referred to them as 'fine C&C cars'. 

 

Bob

[lilmo]

On 6/24/2019 at 6:54 PM, Conserv said:

 

Good catch. I’d expect, however, that the number of replacement grilles is many times the number of replacement nosepieces, and I, personally, believe that more than half of all surviving ‘02’s have received a new nosepiece during the last 40 to 50 years. Since both the tii nosepiece and the shallow side grilles went NLA aeons ago, many cars today wear “incorrect” parts! And for decades, few owners were even aware of the differences.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

My sense is, it's easier nowadays to remove the snorkel on a standard nose than it is to find a nice set of shallow grills for a wounded 1973 tii.  So we should stop raising a flag about a snorkel nose and look more closely at the grills and the quality of the nose graft.  

Edited June 29, 2019 by lilmo

[bluedevils]

More Sunday morning bashing...

Hose clamps: many are not original, obvious ones are those on the tii intake boot, fuel filler neck, and heater valve.

Seat belts: I could only see the driver side seat belt; male buckle/latch plate has a missing plastic part. Some owners would cut that piece to make the buckle free sliding one, or they were simply broken (Autolflug).

I would deduct 2000 dollars from the sale price for those missing parts.... 

[fastricky]

On 6/26/2019 at 10:03 PM, JohnP_02 said:

I’ve only been paying half attention to the market lately but it’s been pretty flat from what I’ve seen. I’m going to guess low d/t the color change for one and say less than $32K

 

That's my 2 cents as well. The color change will hold it back, and it wasn't a down to the metal proper job. Why why why? I like the original color! I personally don't mind non-sunroof cars, a sunroof is just something fussy and delicate to eventually go wrong, plus it's not enjoyable at highway speeds which is where I'd be mostly enjoying an '02. Still a nice accessory for sure.

[bob02]

I'd respectfully disagree with regard to the sunroof. Mine has not been closed in over 20 years except for the rare rainstorm. And I find it quite enjoyable at highway speed and beyond ?

 

Bob

[PaulTWinterton]

38 minutes ago, bob02 said:

Mine has not been closed in over 20 years except for the rare rainstorm. And I find it quite enjoyable at highway speed and beyond ?

 

I'm with you buddy!  Completes the car in my mind.  

 

Oh oh, maybe just started a fight with a huge chunk of the FAQ.  

 

 

[COOP]

3 hours ago, fastricky said:

 

That's my 2 cents as well. The color change will hold it back, and it wasn't a down to the metal proper job. Why why why? I like the original color! I personally don't mind non-sunroof cars, a sunroof is just something fussy and delicate to eventually go wrong, plus it's not enjoyable at highway speeds which is where I'd be mostly enjoying an '02. Still a nice accessory for sure.

 

Spoken like the true owner of a no-sunroof, original color car...Keep believing!

 

Driving down a windy road in a 2002 with both windows and the sunroof open is...the ultimate.

The whole “just another thing to go wrong” line may have relevance to massaging seats in a new 7-Series but hardly to a sunroof in a 2002.

 

As someone who works for one of the most reputable, high-end collectible car outfits in the country (Fantasy Junction in Emeryville), I can tell you with an actual knowledge basis that color changes from-original have no negative bearing on value and can potentially have a very positive one if three attributes are in place: 1. The job was done right; 2. The new color is generally considered more attractive & desirable than the original color; 3. The new color is a correct option for the year & model.

 

[jp5Touring]

My first 2002 tii had a sunroof. Agreed windows down, roof open on a nice day with that huge green house window effect.

Nothing comes close, the wind the sound its truly the best. My current 2002 doesn't have a sunroof, so while I'll might keep my 02 forever this is not my forever 2002.

Edited June 29, 2019 by jp5Touring

[fastricky]

I've driven a number of '02s adorned with sunroofs at length and yes it's certainly a nice feature but c'mon they are noisy and all that wind + noise just isn't my thing - I'd add that that is one of the primary reasons I like A/C when the weather gets warm in my '02, and why I'd take an '02 with A/C over one with a sunroof any day. One man's 2 cents clearly. ?

[tomphot]

I’ve always been a no sunroof guy.  At 6’6”, I can always use all the headroom I can get!  My ‘85 911 is a Euro model without sunroof, pretty rare as all USA models and most Euro models had sunroofs.  Gives me an extra 2” and I can drive without my head rubbing the headliner.  Never driven a 2002 with sunroof but I imagine it’s one of the only cars I wouldn’t have that problem with.

[Conserv]

2 minutes ago, tomphot said:

I’ve always been a no sunroof guy.  At 6’6”, I can always use all the headroom I can get!  My ‘85 911 is a Euro model without sunroof, pretty rare as all USA models and most Euro models had sunroofs.  Gives me an extra 2” and I can drive without my head rubbing the headliner.  Never driven a 2002 with sunroof but I imagine it’s one of the only cars I wouldn’t have that problem with.

 

At 6’3” in the ‘70’s, Tom, I could not fit in a ‘75 or ‘76 with a sunroof, even with the lowered seats that BMW NA made a “companion option” on sunroof-equipped ‘75 and ‘76 ‘02’s. My dealer swapped lowered seats from a new sunroof Chamonix ‘76 with the standard-height seats the factory installed in my non-sunroof Polaris ‘76 so that I could fit into any ‘76. It’s still tight, although I now measure up as 6’2” and change.  I never had a similar problem with my sunroof Chamonix ‘70 (I don’t think the “lowered front seat” had even been invented when it was built). Thus, the ‘75-‘76 seats must be taller than earlier seats.

 

Still, you might have a problem in any sunroof ‘72: I don’t have much more than 1” of spare room in my sunroof ‘73!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

[joysterm]

5 hours ago, PaulTWinterton said:

 

Oh oh, maybe just started a fight with a huge chunk of the FAQ.  

Not sure how this thread ended up with a discussion  of  the merits of a sunroof but I am enjoying the exchange of   “opinions “ from the more traditional side.

 

 I am just glad this car was not “hot roded” ........who knows where it would be now. ?

[1936spyder]

 
At 6’3” in the ‘70’s, Tom, I could not fit in a ‘75 or ‘76 with a sunroof, even with the lowered seats that BMW NA made a “companion option” on sunroof-equipped ‘75 and ‘76 ‘02’s. My dealer swapped lowered seats from a new sunroof Chamonix ‘76 with the standard-height seats the factory installed in my non-sunroof Polaris ‘76 so that I could fit into any ‘76. It’s still tight, although I now measure up as 6’2” and change.  I never had a similar problem with my sunroof Chamonix ‘70 (I don’t think the “lowered front seat” had even been invented when it was built). Thus, the ‘75-‘76 seats must be taller than earlier seats.
 
Still, you might have a problem in any sunroof ‘72: I don’t have much more than 1” of spare room in my sunroof ‘73!
 
Best regards,
 
Steve
 

Weird-I'm 6'-5" w/a swimmer's proportions and have always appreciated the headroom that 02's provide, incl. my '74 tii w/sunroof.

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[Conserv]

2 hours ago, 1936spyder said:

Weird-I'm 6'-5" w/a swimmer's proportions and have always appreciated the headroom that 02's provide, incl. my '74 tii w/sunroof.

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Must be where that height is concentrated: torso vs. legs. And, admittedly, I had period-appropriate big hair in the ‘70’s — not so now, but the height issue remains.... ?

 

Best regards,

 

Steve