who's up for another round of "guess the sales price?"

[catlin]

I say $48,000.  Find another one like this --- for sale.

They come up pretty often. I know of a couple. I don't know why anyone would spend over 30 on this but it's their money.

[cpolyak]

28 minutes ago, catlincustoms said:

 

They come up pretty often. I know of a couple. I don't know why anyone would spend over 30 on this but it's their money.

 

 

As someone who enjoys watching the market, I'd enjoy being pointed towards other similar 02s currently for sale. This one has alot going for it so I expect it to bring top dollar - extensive records, unique color, what appears to be a very solid body. . . not to mention long-time ownership by the seller. 

[BarneyT]

More than most of us think it's worth, more than that with original wheels / air filter installed...$31,500

[COOP]

$33.5K. It can't logically approach $50K as that was the hammer price for the Verona '72 tii on BaT a month or so back:

 

(http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-bmw-2002tii-7/). 

 

A desirable early 2002, a quintessential 70s color, an honest, strong-but-not-slick presentation, extensive documentation, long-time ownership and a car that just feels right for the right reasons. This will prove a meaningful, non-tii comp for the community.

 

Not feeling the carpet color relative to the tobacco seats/door panels though, I must confess.

 

COOP

Edited April 14, 2017 by COOP

[Driv3r]

I am no expert but I thought the flag mirrors were a late model mirror, and the interior color... first colorado I have seen with a saddle brown interior w/salt n pepper carpets?
 
Nice lookin' car none the less,  25001.00 is my hammered guess

My early 73 came with flag mirrors but RHD might have been different.

[Danz3]

Great car. I see $24,000

[Simeon]

4 hours ago, Driv3r said:

 

My early 73 came with flag mirrors but RHD might have been different.

 

 

Mine, also early 73, has a single trapezoidal mirror. 

[Driv3r]

 
Mine, also early 73, has a single trapezoidal mirror. 

You have a tii? Catalog shows 3 option for 73 tii mirrors.

[Simeon]

16 minutes ago, Driv3r said:

 

You have a tii? Catalog shows 3 option for 73 tii mirrors.

 

Ah, I do not. Mine is a base model and definitely got the base option for a single mirror. 

[Conserv]

On 4/13/2017 at 5:48 PM, catlincustoms said:

$27,000

I think he should have put different wheels on for pictures.
 

 

Yes, even for just a few good exterior photos.  If your car's strongest selling point is it's overall originality, why not show it off!?

 

I hope it achieves $35K or more.  I'm not entirely convinced the exterior paint is the factory paint.  I suspect one exterior re-paint over the last 46 years.  The gray/black "salt and pepper" carpet certainly looks original.  I find it hard to believe, however -- as stated above -- that BMW used this carpet with a Tobacco interior.  But, early on, Tobacco was occasionally, if very rarely, paired with Colorado.  So....we'll possibly never know for certain whether this beautiful interior is original to this beautiful car, unless the original owner is alive.  Were the car mine, I would probably swap out the carpet -- or the Tobacco vinyl -- to eliminate the doubt! ?

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2017 by Conserv

[Conserv]

On 4/14/2017 at 6:58 AM, Simeon said:

 

Mine, also early 73, has a single trapezoidal mirror. 

 

The flag mirror was introduced in late 1974.  Period.  Not every (early) 1975 model received them but the majority of 1975 models received them.  And, yes, the flag mirror was the third style of mirror offered on '02's: "swan's neck", trap(ezoid), and flag.

 

All '02's came from the factory with a single outside rearview mirror, as was the norm for cars in the late '60's and early '70's.  An extra outside rearview mirror was a dealer-installed option/accessory.

 

After the flag mirror was introduced, mirror replacements and upgrades virtually always used the flag mirrors because: (1.) they were widely available; (2.) they looked good; and (3.) they were better as mirrors, due to their larger size.  Let me be clear: in 1978, no one gave a flying **** as to whether their '02 had the "correct" mirrors, certainly myself included!

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited April 15, 2017 by Conserv

[t0ddness]

Hi Everyone, I am the seller of this 2002.

 

First, I appreciate everyone's thoughts and inputs.

 

First, as to the originality. I maintain the car is maintained and preserved, not 100% original, nor do I attempt to make this claim.

 

I do though state the paint is original ,and the interior is mainly original, not 100%. As mentioned in the ad, the driver seat was recently repaired after locating a replacement inner hinge, bulbs have been replaced, shift knob, steering wheel and stereo and even some of the washers and screws in the glovebox have been replaced.

 

As for the originality of the salt and pepper / saddle brown combination of the interior. This is and always has been up for debate, and only yesterday Delia questioned me on whether the hinges should be chrome on a 2002 with an 05/71 production date. The Hoffman invoice only states skai leatherette, the dealer invoice makes no reference to options, and I have no receipts to think this was swapped otherwise. I continue to try to find some validation of truth in either direction, but have no reason to believe, other than the skepticism of others, that this is not the interior that was delivered at purchase. Read into that however you choose.

 

I swapped the driver mirror for the one shown, and added the passenger mirror.  I like the symmetry from the front of both mirrors, and the additional safety features of the passenger mirror. The original mirror is in a box of parts I believe.  I have no regrets for this change.

 

As for the wheels...I am curious, what wheels I should have on the car.

 

I am a casual enthusiast, no expert, and everything done to the car in my ownership is based on what I wanted to do with it, while attempting to not butcher it in the process.

 

I'll close by saying, when I purchased this car nearly 20 years ago now, I knew exactly what I was going to do with it.  My plan was to maintain and lightly modify it and try to keep it to less than 100K miles 20 years later, and fully enjoying driving it 2K miles each year. 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2017 by t0ddness

[joysterm]

11 minutes ago, t0ddness said:

Hi Everyone, I am the seller of this 2002.

 

First, I appreciate everyone's thoughts and inputs. II'd love to see this get to 30K, not only for my wallet, but I think the value of non-tii 2002 is generally low. Perhaps this auction will help the value of your 2002's as well.

As for the originality of the salt and pepper / saddle brown combination of the interior. This is and always has been up for debate, and only yesterday Delia questioned me on whether the hinges should be chrome on a 2002 with an 05/71 production date. The Hoffman invoice only states skai leatherette, the dealer invoice makes no reference to options, and I have no receipts to think this was swapped otherwise. I continue to try to find some validation of truth in either direction, but have no reason, other than the skepticism of others, that this is not the interior that was delivered at purchase. Read into that however you choose.

 

I swapped the driver mirror for the one shown, and added the passenger mirror.  I like the symmetry from the front of both mirrors, and the additional safety features of the passenger mirror. The original mirror is in a box of parts I believe.  I have no regrets for this change.

Appreciate you taking the time to provide your comments. I meant no harm with mine. I too have a Colorado with a production date in Dec71, my comments were based solely on that.

You have done a wonderful job in preserving the essence of the car......It must be very difficult to sell it.

 

GLWTS.......Mike

Edited April 14, 2017 by joysterm

[t0ddness]

Thank you. I don't think anyone here has been offensive or harmful. I appreciate and value the opinion and input of others to help me shape the choices I make.

[Conserv]

20 hours ago, t0ddness said:

Hi Everyone, I am the seller of this 2002.

 

First, I appreciate everyone's thoughts and inputs. I'd love to see this get to 30K, not only for my wallet, but I think the value of non-tii 2002 is generally low. Perhaps this auction will help the value of your 2002's as well.

 

First, as to the originality. I maintain the car is maintained and preserved, not 100% original, nor do I attempt to make this claim.

 

I do though state the paint is original ,and the interior is mainly original, not 100%. As mentioned in the ad, the driver seat was recently repaired after locating a replacement inner hinge, bulbs have been replaced, shift knob, steering wheel and stereo and even some of the washers and screws in the glovebox have been replaced.

 

As for the originality of the salt and pepper / saddle brown combination of the interior. This is and always has been up for debate, and only yesterday Delia questioned me on whether the hinges should be chrome on a 2002 with an 05/71 production date. The Hoffman invoice only states skai leatherette, the dealer invoice makes no reference to options, and I have no receipts to think this was swapped otherwise. I continue to try to find some validation of truth in either direction, but have no reason to believe, other than the skepticism of others, that this is not the interior that was delivered at purchase. Read into that however you choose.

 

I swapped the driver mirror for the one shown, and added the passenger mirror.  I like the symmetry from the front of both mirrors, and the additional safety features of the passenger mirror. The original mirror is in a box of parts I believe.  I have no regrets for this change.

 

As for the wheels...I am curious, what wheels I should have on the car.

 

I am a casual enthusiast, no expert, and everything done to the car in my ownership is based on what I wanted to do with it, while attempting to not butcher it in the process.

 

I'll close by saying, when I purchased this car nearly 20 years ago now, I knew exactly what I was going to do with it.  My plan was to maintain and lightly modify it and try to keep it to less than 100K miles 20 years later, and fully enjoying driving it 2K miles each year. 

 

 

 

t0ddness,

 

Well said, and well done!  I believe a few photos with the original steel rims and chrome full wheel covers would have served well -- but, then, you're doing quite well without those photos!

 

Delia is, of course, THE BEST.  And there is not one drop of exaggeration in that claim.  U.S.-spec tii's came with chromed seat recliners through the end of the 1972 model year.  The non-tii's gave up the chromed recliners earlier.  I have seen U.S. 1972 2002's (not tii's) -- with what appeared to be original seats -- with both chrome and black-painted recliners.  And although Euro-spec cars were losing chrome recliners in 1971, I can't say I've seen U.S.-spec 1971's with black-painted recliners.  And, consistent with what you've seen in the car's records, before BMW NA assumed the U.S. distributor role in the very end of 1974, interior color was neither noted on the window sticker nor retained in historical files.  The original bills of sale -- different from the window sticker, and present, but obscured somewhat in your photo -- occasionally noted -- in sloppy penmanship -- exterior and even interior colors, as an aid for the dealership to keep track of the cars' comings and goings.  I'm assuming you've scrutinized that bill of sale.

 

Note also that dealers often did whatever they needed to in order to make a sale.  The dealer for my '76 took the factory-installed lowered front seats from a sunroof model and swapped them for the factory-installed standard-height seats in my.  Thus, two cars left the dealer with different seats than those installed by the factory!  I've also heard a very believeable story of a dealer swapping a black for a navy blue interior to make a sale.

 

There is, of course, however, additional information originally attached to most seats manufactured before 1974: dated inspection cards attached to the seat bottom and backrest frames.  If these cards are missing, the seat has likely been completely re-done.  Below are the dates shown on a right front seat originally installed in VIN 2762204 (a 1972 tii, manufactured July 10, 1972, but totaled in 1974): the seat backrest horsehair pad is dated May 1972 ("?? MAI 1972"); the seat bottom is dated June 30, 1972 (30. 6. 72"); and the seat backrest itself is dated June 20, 1972 ("20. 6. 72").

 

With a mirror or camera, you might be able to inspect the seat bottom without removing the seat.  To inspect the backrest, which I have found more often contains a dated card, you have to remove a couple Philips-head screws on the backrest rear cover and gently lay the cover back against the rear seat.

 

Admittedly, what I'm suggesting is pretty nutty, but it would likely resolve the mystery!  I'd expect the seat dates to be no later than the car's May 1971 manufacturing date and probably no earlier than a couple months before May 1971.

 

I know, I know, I'm a troublemaker!

 

Good luck with your sale.  It is a beautiful car and the buyer will be fortunate to have such an example.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited April 15, 2017 by Conserv