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[James Laray]

Mike, at al:  Have seen this draft (first image)?  A friend in the Netherlands shared it with me.   It is a  signed Michelotti draft  from 1961 of a BMW coupe showing all the tell-tale signs of what may have influenced the Georg Bertram 1600/2002 design including a B-pillar and kink minus a roundel.  No one ever claims such, but just look at it.   I get the feeling Hofmeister had a handful of designers all plugging away side-by-side coming up with ideas including Bertram's typ114 and the Michelotti typ120 evolving at the same time thus the bizarre 64 1600 prototype.   Markus Caspers notes "in 1959 under Hoffmeister,  Michelotti worked on the 'new class' BMW 1500, and later the BMW 2002."  Adrian van Hooydonk noted recently “BMW didn’t really have a design department.  It was part of carrosserie (body engineering), Michelotti did first sketches and then collaborated with Wilhelm Hofmeister, who influenced the kink in the rear quarter that is now a fixture in BMW’s design vocabulary.”  Van Hooydonk does state "Georg Bertram was the originator of the 2002 design” (second image with Bertram signature).    

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Edited October 21, 2022 by James Laray

[lewisfoto]

Not my picture just sourced from the internet, crossing the GoldenGate Bridge in 1983.

[its55]

5 hours ago, lewisfoto said:

Not my picture just sourced from the internet, crossing the GoldenGate Bridge in 1983.

 

That could be my 2002, which came from CA.  Yes I'm sure it is 🤣

[Mike Self]

On 10/21/2022 at 12:56 PM, James Laray said:

Mike, at al:  Have seen this draft (first image)?  A friend in the Netherlands shared it with me.   It is a  signed Michelotti draft  from 1961 of a BMW coupe showing all the tell-tale signs of what may have influenced the Georg Bertram 1600/2002 design including a B-pillar and kink minus a roundel. 

That's a new picture on me, and even predates the first NK sedans.  It must have influence Bertram's design, as early in-house designs for a "small BMW" look a lot more like enhanced 700's.  One thing that's missing in Michelotti's design, though is the wrap-around belt molding (missing on the hood's front edge) that was most assuredly cribbed from the original Corvair design, which influenced a number of European and Japanese cars of the early 1960s.  And no Hoffmeister kink, either. 

 

I did two Roundel column on the subject about the origins of the final Type 114 design and its origins :  November 2016 and September 2017.  The Michelotti design you pictured wasn't in my research.  Thanks for adding yet another mystery to the '02 mystique...

 

mike

[jgerock]

I’ve posted these before-  not sure if it was within this thread🥹. Apologies if so.

Edited October 22, 2022 by jgerock

[James Laray]

Jim, that is very interesting.   Are there any samples of the prototype out there?  How would like to find that in a barn?!     

[1lostcause]

Taken in 1979 0f my 71 cruising down the Autobahn at 100 mph.

[its55]

2 minutes ago, 1lostcause said:

Taken in 1979 0f my 71 cruising down the Autobahn at 100 mph.

top speed!

[1lostcause]

On 10/26/2022 at 8:33 PM, its55 said:

top speed!

Mine topped out at 107 mph. Occasionally I would take guys from Ramstein AB to Rhein-Main AB, about 90 miles, and I could do it gate to gate in a little less than an hour. That was hoofing it. A SSgt I worked with had a 66 Benz 220 sedan and could do it in less than 50 minutes but he was a lunatic.

[visionaut]

…from Road & Track, June 1965

[pierre02ti]

First day at home, 25 years ago!

[its55]

I've posted previously that me and a friend raced a '74 2002 back in the 80's / 90's.  I think we first started turning it into a race car around 1985.  That same friend is a now-retired auto repair shop owner who specialized in BMW's among other makes.  Anyway, this past weekend when I visited him he pulls out the original fan from that '74 2002 and gave it to me!  I had no idea it even existed.  He'd never even cleaned the dang thing and I'm thinking of just leaving it that way.

 

 

[Martijn 647]

One of my favorite commercials for the 02. In that era they sold you a car, now car commercials want to sell you a 'feeling' or 'vibe'. 
 

 

[visionaut]

Rush hour traffic…

[lewisfoto]

Just scanned these photos of my Granada red 1969 2002 taken the day I bought it in 1982. It definitely needed a lot of work but it also started a lifelong love affair with cars.

Edited December 31, 2022 by lewisfoto