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[its55]

16 hours ago, [HOONIGAN] said:

Yes, my dad did lots of work to that car in high school, and that picture is the finished product. It was a rust bucket when he first got it and he found a rust free shell... but it was just the A-pillars and behind. So he cut the car up at the A-pillars and welded in the new rust free shell, which would have been a 1971, and so I guess he decided to keep the shorty bumpers as well, which the car still has. Hope that makes sense lol. 

 

Makes perfect sense! 😁

 

 

[BarneyT]

My cars though the years…

1) Granada red 74 my original car purchased at 20 redone in 2016 and given to my son Kane.

2) Golf yellow 72 purchased in 1997 redone in 2015 given to my son Ellis.

3) Turkis Green 75 automatic with A/C made from parts from three cars.

4) inka Orange 73tii redone in 2019.

5) Fjord Blue 72tii redone in 2020 and sold on BAT…

6) Baur 74 refresh of interior and paint in 2021

7) Ceylon Gold 73tii refreshed in 2023…

😎 coming in 2024 or 25  Verona Red 73tii Baur Targa 

[visionaut]

These old jpegs have way too

much compression ..

 

🙃

[its55]

5 hours ago, visionaut said:

These old jpegs have way too

much compression ..

 

🙃

 

Haven't seen one of these before, must be rare! Parts hard to find?

 

 

[David Layton]

Here is my first 2002 in my college parking lot, circa 1980.  I traded my brother my ticket-magnet red 68 FIAT 124 spider.  It was in 1978, so the FIAT had some hidden rust issues.... 

 

This is a 1968 with hydraulic clutch. You can spot some of the black inlay on the front piece of beltline trim.   It was originally Manila with a dark brown interior.  When Chris bought it, PO had painted it white.  Chris had it painted caramel tan (leave it at that) and I put in a cognac interior as I wanted head rests.  Originality was not the target then.  In 1981, I bought an Atlantik 72 that I had put in a '76 camel interior (actually a nice combo).  The 1968 with patches welded over the rust splits in the rear tire wells was sold to a teacher in Iowa.  I suspect it has already returned to the earth by now.

Edited June 8, 2023 by David Layton

[visionaut]

Aaaarnie’s NK…

 

[Mike Self]

When an 02 and a Smart car got a little too intimate...

[Conserv]

On 6/8/2023 at 11:11 AM, David Layton said:

Here is my first 2002 in my college parking lot, circa 1980.  I traded my brother my ticket-magnet red 68 FIAT 124 spider.  It was in 1978, so the FIAT had some hidden rust issues.... 

 

This is a 1968 with hydraulic clutch. You can spot some of the black inlay on the front piece of beltline trim.   It was originally Manila with a dark brown interior.  When Chris bought it, PO had painted it white.  Chris had it painted caramel tan (leave it at that) and I put in a cognac interior as I wanted head rests.  Originality was not the target then.  In 1981, I bought an Atlantik 72 that I had put in a '76 camel interior (actually a nice combo).  The 1968 with patches welded over the rust splits in the rear tire wells was sold to a teacher in Iowa.  I suspect it has already returned to the earth by now.

Very interesting, David! Do you happen to know the VIN of your ‘68?
 

Both Manila and the Chocolate Brown interior were being phased out in the first quarter of 1968, just as the 2002 was being “phased in”. So it’s a very rare combo on a 2002, but much less so on a 1600-2.

 

In the forum’s Registry, there’s a largely original 1968 built in this color combo — sadly color-changed to… copper(?😯) — but still retaining its original interior (and Manila paint sticker). It’s VIN 1660482, manufactured March 15, 1968.

 

Although the embossing on the front trim, on VIN 1660482, was obviously re-painted at some point, I do believe the earliest 2002’s arrived here with that factory detail. 
 

The one part of your story I have to question concerns your 1968 Fiat: by 1978, I find it hard to believe that any of the rust remained “hidden”… 😋😁

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

[Mike Self]

13 hours ago, Conserv said:

Although the embossing on the front trim, on VIN 1660482, was obviously re-painted at some point, I do believe the earliest ‘02’s arrived here with that factory detail. 

The Polaris press pool 2002 road tested by both R&T and Popular Science must have been one of the very first US spec 02s, as the tests had to have been done in January--February in order to make their April issues (can't read the VIN in the pictures, unfortunately).  The pictures show the hood trim embossing as painted in.  I always thought that was just a little touchup by Hoffman's folks, as I don't remember seeing any '67 1600s at the dealership with the embossing painted in.   It would be interesting to know how many of those early US 2002s had embossed hood trim...

 

mike

[skyking96w]

My '67 1600, bought new, had the embossed hood trim, but it wasn't painted.

[Conserv]

On 6/18/2023 at 10:17 AM, skyking96w said:

My '67 1600, bought new, had the embossed hood trim, but it wasn't painted.

And that is as good as a first-hand data point gets! It is, of course, a 1600-2.

 

From a design standpoint, could the black-painted front embossing have been solely a 2002 feature — however brief it might have been, and it was brief.

 

In the first photo below, the cover of a May 1968 factory brochure, notice how the blacked-out embossed areas on the hood trim echo the blacked-out grilles? Just about perfectly! And then someone realized how much time and money it was costing to handpaint the hood trim, and that was its end!

 

The second photo below, from the May 1968 Road & Track, and the third and fourth photos, from the April 1968 Car and Driver, show probably the first two 2002’s manufactured, VIN 1660001 (November 29, 1967) and 1660002 (December 12, 1967). VIN 1660001 had to make the trip to the West Coast, for Road & Track, while VIN 1660002 went to the East Coast, for Car and Driver. Patrick Bedard, with Car and Driver still in New York in 1968, refers to the weakness of Blaupunkt reception from the Brooklyn end of the Brooklyn Bridge, clearly establishing the location. These cars, both Polaris, represent the only two U.S.-spec 2002’s manufactured in time to be “checked out” at the factory, and shipped, by ship, to the U.S. in time to be road tested ca. January or February 1968, in time — as Mike mentions — to appear in May and April editions of their respective magazines.

 

There’s a bit more detail in their respective Registry entries:

 

And

Could I have the two VIN’s swapped? Conceivably, but — emphasizing that both were Polaris metallic, and thus easy to confuse in photos — there were no other 2002’s legally delivered to Hoffman Motors early enough to meet the publication deadlines. And I’d add that VIN 1660001 was not just the first U.S. 2002 made, it was the first 2002 made for any market, probably because of the additional shipping time required for the U.S. road tests.

 

Both examples appear to have had black-painted embossing on the front trim, like VIN 1660482. Even the out-of-focus, bat-out-of-hell photograph for Patrick Bedard’s article, fourth photo below, appears to show the black in-fill!

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

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[David Layton]

On 6/17/2023 at 9:11 AM, Conserv said:

Very interesting, David! Do you happen to know the VIN of your ‘68?
 

Both Manila and the Chocolate Brown interior were being phased out in the first quarter of 1968, just as the 2002 was being “phased in”. So it’s a very rare combo on a 2002, but much less so on a 1600-2.

 

In the forum’s Registry, there’s a largely original 1968 built in this color combo — sadly color-changed to… copper(?😯) — but still retaining its original interior (and Manila paint sticker). It’s VIN 1660482, manufactured March 15, 1968.

 

Although the embossing on the front trim, on VIN 1660482, was obviously re-painted at some point, I do believe the earliest 2002’s arrived here with that factory detail. 
 

The one part of your story I have to question concerns your 1968 Fiat: by 1978, I find it hard to believe that any of the rust remained “hidden”… 😋😁

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

I will have to ask Chris if he recalls the serial.  It was a 166XXXX.   The FIAT had been repainted and the rust first announced itself in the front frame rails from whence the retaining bolts became un-retained.   The repair was welding the subframe to the front rails.

 

 

[jimk]

17 hours ago, David Layton said:

I will have to ask Chris if he recalls the serial.  It was a 166XXXX.   The FIAT had been repainted and the rust first announced itself in the front frame rails from whence the retaining bolts became un-retained.   The repair was welding the subframe to the front rails.

 

 

How about taking this Fiat discussion some where else than the Old Photos (of 2002s).

[visionaut]

Björn’s izt bent…

 

(1973 Björn Waldegård)

[visionaut]

van life

 

(I’ve seen that grille before…)