How bad could it be- tii fuel injection

[Dionk]

Found a tii for sale - considering buying it.

 

Fuel injection is pulled apart. How bad could it be?  

 

I ask because I have no idea what an overhaul of this system could cost and or entail.

[dlacey]

If parts are missing:

~500-1K USD for a used pump

~100USD per injector used

if parts are not functioning

~50USD to clean/poptest injectors

~1KUSD to reseal/recalibrate pump if needed (pumps can be unrebuildable if terribly abused)

 

[chargin]

1 hour ago, Dionk said:

 

Fuel injection is pulled apart. How bad could it be?  

 

I ask because I have no idea what an overhaul of this system could cost and or entail.

 

That's kind of a big opening for the obvious question, Apart but all there?

If so it totally depends on how apart it is, if everything is there it's a bit of a challenge but doable. You may need a few new linkage bits with new bushings. 2002 parts are quite reasonably priced, unless you're looking for Tii specific parts, those are expensive.

 

Getting a pump refurbished and injectors tested can range from $500-$2500 depending where you send them and how shiny you want them to come back.

 

The other thing is that if it is an actual Tii and missing too much you could always just convert to Carb(s).

Most likely this would not be the case, in the last 2 years I've seen 2 people go twin carbs with their Tii bits in a box now.

If you do have all the bits and you can put it back together you will need a Pro to set it up and tune it.

 

In Socal that seems to be running about $650-$900 and at the shop for 3-4 days for the heat cycle tuning of the warm up circuit vs. hot running.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OriginalOwner]

chargin says it very well,  "...... if it is an actual Tii and missing too much ...." 

 

It is not just what is under the hood.  There's an electric fuel pump in back, and that can be a headache when it needs replacing, there are several good threads on topic.  The downstream-from-the-fuel-pump fuel hose needs to be high-pressure hose.  There's a tiny air hose that goes from the throttle body to the air breather hose (you tii guys know it).  There are banjo fittings with small screens in the fuel delivery system.  There's a pressure valve on the back-end of the KF.  There's the return loop of gasoline from the KF back to the fuel tank, that plumbing and hardware.

 

So you need to know what you're looking at, and looking for.  The whole FI system is more "complicated" than just getting some gasoline into a carb.

 

A tii is certainly fun to drive, but getting it there can be a challenge.

 

Cheers,

 

Carl

 

 

 

[Dionk]

1 hour ago, chargin said:

Apart but all there?

I see the car Saturday...will do some studying before then. 

[Mike G]

Finding out why it was taken apart might help to answer the question of what it will take to put it back together. 

[dp]

How bad could it be? Honestly, if you don't know...if you have to ask....I'd advise against even taking it on.

I will NEVER purchase and do another basket case without another preferably running example next to me to refer to. At LEAST a completely-assembled, "running when parked" example.

 

Same principle applies if its "just" something like a Tii engine, and I own three. I bought a 74 Tii as a basket case and after years of mostly b.s. tinkering I won't even seriously start on it til I get my 72 next to it...if nothing else just to sort the boxes of Tii specific stuff. Yeah I know the one in the picture is a Tii also, but its, well, ...different ?

Edited July 13, 2018 by dp

[irdave]

What they said- I got mine about 9 months ago and have about 300 hours into it.  There's a lot to it.

 

But having said that- did you get the car?

[Dionk]

39 minutes ago, irdave said:

But having said that- did you get the car?

Going to look at it today. 

[irdave]

Just now, Dionk said:

Going to look at it today. 

That Saturday is this Saturday?

 

Man it's been a long week.

[Conserv]

Dionk,

 

Un-spoken in this thread thus far is the simple fact that if you are crazy enough to buy a box of parts labeled “tii injection system” -- I picture the Chick-Fil-A cows labelling it "COM-PLEET INJEKSHUN SISTUM" -- members of this forum will likely help you piece it together and, given time and money, it will inject once again: those Kugelfischers are hard to kill!  ?

 

Good luck,

 

Steve

 

Edited July 14, 2018 by Conserv

[Gordon]

If you get the car,  send the pump and your injectors to Jerry Fairchild in No Cal. Great service, quick turnaround and good prices, you won't be disappointed.  http://fuelinjectioncenter.com/

 

G-Man

[chargin]

21 hours ago, Gordon said:

If you get the car,  send the pump and your injectors to Jerry Fairchild in No Cal. Great service, quick turnaround and good prices, you won't be disappointed.  http://fuelinjectioncenter.com/

 

G-Man

 

I was really happy with Fairchild, quick turnaround and $200 lower than phone estimate.

 

on a side note the tuner I initially sent it to said he would only use a pump builder on the east coast he regularly uses since the pumps come back looking brand new and need 1 hour less set up, the thing is that company wanted $1900 more to do the job.

 

1 hour labor at the tuner was a lot less than $1900 

 

?

 

[Dionk]

The car was riddled with rust.  Even if the the engine and injection could be restored - everything else was on deaths door. That said, the seller did say that he does need it gone and is considering all offers. So if your up for a challenge or looking for a tii parts car it might be for you!

 

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Dionk

[chargin]

5 minutes ago, Dionk said:

The car was riddled with rust.

 

Unfortunately this is more common than not in a 70's 2002's

 

Mine started like this:

 

 

like this now:

 

Just depends how far you will go, no wrong answer there.