Found some Alpina / Borrani bi-metallic wheels

[Conserv]

On 12/7/2018 at 7:01 PM, mvliotta said:

 

 

 

Geez...

 

Now every time I see a couple salvage buses and a six-wheel road grader, I’m going to be thinking “Alpina Borrani?”..... ?

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited December 12, 2018 by Conserv

[mvliotta]

On 12/8/2018 at 2:00 AM, mike said:

Think you're gonna need new tires, though!  And be sure to check those rivets holding rim to center.  If they are in fact steel, all that sitting outside may have deteriorated the rivets and/or the seal between rivet and rim.  You can see some corrosion on the rim-to-center joint; you want to make sure the rims are air-tight before you fit new tires.

 

Yep, the tires are toast. 

 

Once i I get the tires off, will inspect the rivets carefully, thx. 

 

Here is one more stamp I found on the inside edge of the wheel. In a few months, these will be 50 years old!

 

 

Been thinking that I’ll be putting these on the car at some point, probably when I redo my front/rear suspension. 

 

Last year I found a set of Alpina front struts, shown below on the right. Still looking for the inverted Bilstein rears, though. Let me know if anyone has a set they would like to sell!

 

 

 

 

[Mike Self]

On 12/9/2018 at 12:00 PM, mvliotta said:

Here is one more stamp I found on the inside edge of the wheel. In a few months, these will be 50 years old!

Just the thing for my 2/69 production 2002!

 

mike

[TobyB]

ROAD GRADER!!!  I like this guy.

 

Bimetallic, huh?  Do they change diameter or width with temperature???

 

heh

 

t

Also thinks they are cool

Edited December 12, 2018 by TobyB

[markmac]

This Alpina Ti from back in 1969 was runnin-em.  Crappy images unfortunately but you can still see the wheels are same.

[mvliotta]

Thought I would provide an update on these wheels while they are being media blasted. 

 

Extracted the center emblem/cap on the one wheel that had it. It was held in place by a metal clip

 

The Alpina logo on this is the early version... with a different carb and cam shaft than the modern logo. The font used in the earlier logo for the Alpina lettering is also different. Did some digging and found an outfit that had the exact replica in the correct size. Bought a set of these and will figure out how to secure them in place on the wheel. 

 

 

However, the emblem on the ‘72 Alpina tii touring that sold recently on BAT has the modern emblem..

 

Which brings up a couple of possibilities:

 

1) These are correct for the touring as the logo change for Alpina happened between 1969 (date on my wheels) and the 1972 touring?

 

2) These are replacement emblems/caps and they fitted the touring with the incorrect cap with the modern logo?

 

Anyone know now when the logo changed for Alpina??

 

 

 

 

[bob02]

I believe it was in the mid to late 70's the logo switched from carb and cam to throttle body and crank. Cool wheels!!

 

  Bob

[inca-orange]

I also have a complete and very good set of these maybe someone have something interesting for trade.

 

Best regards

Andreas

 

 

[Conserv]

On 1/26/2019 at 11:04 AM, mvliotta said:

 

....However, the emblem on the ‘72 Alpina tii touring that sold recently on BAT has the modern emblem..

 

Which brings up a couple of possibilities:

 

1) These are correct for the touring as the logo change for Alpina happened between 1969 (date on my wheels) and the 1972 touring?

 

2) These are replacement emblems/caps and they fitted the touring with the incorrect cap with the modern logo?

 

Anyone know now when the logo changed for Alpina??

 

 

 

 

 

Vince,

 

The touring’s rims have clearly been repainted and new Borrani stickers and Alpina center caps were applied — the stickers and caps are readily available on eBay and other forums and are generally (always?) aftermarket.

 

Given the “Chamonix” paint sticker randomly stuck onto the touring after its most recent repaint (it is a factory Polaris metallic car that has been re-painted in Polaris), I doubt any research whatsoever went into whether the Borrani stickers and Alpina caps reflected a correct 1972 date...

 

I believe that, post-B.A.T., the touring is in more appreciative and sensitive hands. ?

 

I know I’ve seen a discussion of the Alpina logo changes on the German forum. I believe a slide throttle replaced the Weber carb. I’ll bet someone like markmac, on this forum, has additional information regarding the change of the logo.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited February 23, 2019 by Conserv

[John_in_VA]

On 1/26/2019 at 11:04 AM, mvliotta said:

Did some digging and found an outfit that had the exact replica in the correct size. Bought a set of these and will figure out how to secure them in place on the wheel. 

 

 

Who is the vendor for the caps, if you don't mind me asking?

[mvliotta]

23 hours ago, John_in_VA said:

Who is the vendor for the caps, if you don't mind me asking?

 

John,

Got these from carlogodesign.com

 

Reasonable turn around, great pricing and quality. 

 

Cheers,

Vince

[JsnPpp]

Love those wheels! Great history and a fun story on resurrection from behind the barn.

 

Thank you for updating.

 

~Jason

[Touring Alpina]

On ‎12‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 2:24 PM, mvliotta said:

Completely unexpected, but just found these. Looks like exactly what was on the ‘72 Alpina tii touring that sold on BAT not too long ago.

 

Bellissimo!

 

Will take some time to think about what to do with them. 

 

Vince

 

 

Vince, If you ever want to sell them, let me know. Thanks. Philip

Edited April 1, 2019 by Touring Alpina
Clarifying

[Touring Alpina]

On 2/22/2019 at 4:06 AM, inca-orange said:

I also have a complete and very good set of these maybe someone have something interesting for trade.

 

Best regards

Andreas

 

 

Would you sell them?

[Touring Alpina]

On 2/22/2019 at 6:39 AM, Conserv said:

 

Vince,

 

The touring’s rims have clearly been repainted and new Borrani stickers and Alpina center caps were applied — the stickers and caps are readily available on eBay and other forums and are generally (always?) aftermarket.

 

Given the “Chamonix” paint sticker randomly stuck onto the touring after its most recent repaint (it is a factory Polaris metallic car that has been re-painted in Polaris), I doubt any research whatsoever went into whether the Borrani stickers and Alpina caps reflected a correct 1972 date...

 

I believe that, post-B.A.T., the touring is in more appreciative and sensitive hands. ?

 

I know I’ve seen a discussion of the Alpina logo changes on the German forum. I believe a slide throttle replaced the Weber carb. I’ll bet someone like markmac, on this forum, has additional information regarding the change of the logo.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

The Borrani sticker is the right one. This is what Borrani told me: "We have only 2 classic logos: Prior of 1960 with Carlo Borrani SpA, after with Ruote Borrani-Milano". Borrani sent me graciously OEM stickers. Those guys are top notch.
I will buy the proper Alpina Center Cap.

Thanks for the info.