engine and drivetrain Tires And Wheel/rims Fitment Guide

[Beach_Bum]

So , if we don't need the wheels to be hub centric (original 02 hubs), does that mean we can shop wheels for other car manufacturers, i.e. Mazda, Honda, etc?

I'm looking at a set of Enkei Classics 92 in 15x7 ET 38, 5.43" backspacing. Right now I'm on stock springs and unknown struts (I just bought the car). I plan on running 195/50 tires and probably swapping the suspension for Bilstein or Koni struts and H&R or IE 2 springs. From what I've read, I'll need about a 10-12mm spacer. Sound about right?

Edited August 3, 2013 by Beach_Bum

[Conserv]

On 8/3/2013 at 4:27 PM, Beach_Bum said:

So , if we don't need the wheels to be hub centric (original 02 hubs), does that mean we can shop wheels for other car manufacturers, i.e. Mazda, Honda, etc?

 

I suppose so, as long as it's a 4x100mm lug pattern and the hub center bore is at least 57.1mm. (If you read all the related threads on this forum, however, you will see that not everyone is convinced that '02 rims are lug-centric!)

 

Steve

Edited February 23, 2019 by Conserv

[Jace]

I've got some old 14" Australian alloys on my '73 and the original 13" steel wheel in the trunk for the spare.

I'd like to swap out the spare with a 14" steel wheel. Is there a BMW/VW/Mercedes/Mazda 14" steel wheel with the correct offset that I can get so that I've got the same size all around?

 

4x100 VW stuff is all exactly 57.1mm CB as well. Mazda is smaller (54mm) and Mercedes have only ever used 5x112.

[tjones02]

I'm looking at a set of Enkei Classics 92 in 15x7 ET 38, 5.43" backspacing. Right now I'm on stock springs and unknown struts (I just bought the car). I plan on running 195/50 tires and probably swapping the suspension for Bilstein or Koni struts and H&R or IE 2 springs. From what I've read, I'll need about a 10-12mm spacer. Sound about right?

Yes, 10-15 spacer. You want around et24-28 with 25-26 as ideal with 15x7s. If you have not rolled the fender lips you will need to....

[Gil. H.]

4x100 VW stuff is all exactly 57.1mm CB as well. Mazda is smaller (54mm) and Mercedes have only ever used 5x112.

Got it. Thanks.

 

g.

[M3M3]

So , if we don't need the wheels to be hub centric (original 02 hubs), does that mean we can shop wheels for other car manufacturers, i.e. Mazda, Honda, etc?

I'm looking at a set of Enkei Classics 92 in 15x7 ET 38, 5.43" backspacing. Right now I'm on stock springs and unknown struts (I just bought the car). I plan on running 195/50 tires and probably swapping the suspension for Bilstein or Koni struts and H&R or IE 2 springs. From what I've read, I'll need about a 10-12mm spacer. Sound about right?

 

 

Yes, 10-15 spacer. You want around et24-28 with 25-26 as ideal with 15x7s. If you have not rolled the fender lips you will need to....

and don't forget it is not just a spacer.  a spacer that thick will require longer lug studs front and rear.  that means pulling the hubs to remove and press in new studs.

[Lou Perez]

Not sure if you have this but this is a fun tool to compare tire and wheel sizes. It even tells you by how much your speedometer will be off. Sticky this please.

Thank you for this thread the "stance" thread is exhausting.

www.willtheyfit.com

Edited August 7, 2013 by bmore2002

[Beach_Bum]

^Thanks for the help guys. I'm having a tough time finding a set of wheels for this car. If I had my choice, I'd pick up a set of BBS RS and be done, but finding a set is easier said than done.

 

That said, I have found some other options that may do the trick in the interim BUT they are not the ideal width/offset, so I have a few more questions that I hope you can help with:

 

1. What would it take to fit a 15x8 ET25 front and rear? I'm guessing heavy fender rolling and some neg. camber up front (but how much?)

2. How about a 15x7.5 ET 32 front and rear? Would these fit without rolling? Would I need a spacer to clear the strut/spring?

 

I'm on stock springs/struts now, but plan on Bilstein Sports with either H&R or IE 2 springs and some fixed camber plates.

[Conserv]

If you want to go wider than 7", think "flares"! Even with 15x7, ET 26, you will probably be rolling your fender lips. (And an ET32 will likely require spacers.)

Steve

[Beach_Bum]

Thanks Steve. The reason I asked about the 15x8 is because I came across these from the "stance thread." How are they running a 15x8 ET13 without flares?

 

Black 2002
Wheels: BBS RS - 15x7 +25 with spacer (F) and 15x8 +13 ®
Tyres: 195/45 - Yokohama S-Drive / Nankangs
Suspension: Ground Control coilover front and Koni shock rear. As pictured was running a cut stock spring on the rear on this day. IE Swaybars used also.

 

 

Green 1602
Wheels: BBS RS - 15x6.5 +17 (F) and 15x8 +13 ®
Tyres: (F) 185/45 Nankang, ® 195/45 Yokohama S-Drive
Suspension: King springs cut to suit and Koni shocks
Rolled lips

 

[Beach_Bum]

Another Example:

 

15x7 BBS RS front with 195/45
15x8.5 BBS RS rear with 195/45
(offset unknown... need to measure)
Cut H&R's with Bilstein HD's

 

[tjones02]

Notice one theme with those? All in the 195/45 tires stretched on, super stiff rear springs, cut or very rolled fender lips with some (or lots of) tire rubbing. What most of us mean of 15x8 not fitting is with correct width tires, like 205/50r15 and 215/50r15 or 225/45r15 which 195 anything is the stretch look and not recommended by the tire manufacturers.... In countries like Germany with their TÜV, tire fitments like that are illegal, and not allowed on the road without proper vehicle inspection and paperwork.

[FB73tii]

They are using skinny tires, that is why they don't rub. Anyone performance-oriented will want a 205 on a 15 x 7 (and as Marshall said the fit depends on a lot of varibles, including camber and ride height). Go to a 225 and you will need flares or a serious fender pull (not just a roll).

 

EDIT: That said, on my '73tii I used 15x7 rims ET25 and various 205/50/15's DOT R-compounds with short rear springs (350 lb/in IT springs) and had VERY LITTLE rubbing in the rear. And I had not rolled the lip. But you could barely fit a piece of paper between the tire and the fender. Also, I had not yet done the adjustable rear subframe, which I later did to REDUCE rear camber since the car had been lowered quite a bit. Standing the tire up reduced the clearance. The '74 has the lips cut and the '69 has 4" box flares.

 

YMMV--Fred '74tii (205/50/15 BFG R1) & '69 2002 (225/45/13 Hancook Z214 and Goodyear 20x9.5x13 cantilever slicks)

Edited August 7, 2013 by FB73tii

[Beach_Bum]

Got it. Thanks again everyone.

[Koblenz]

beach,

 

I like the Enkei 92 in black.  Not a fan of pulling the hub.  Will be looking to see what you end up running.