1974 Fjord Blue 2002tii restoration in CA

[SydneyTii]

Talking of e30 wheels, these are near flawless fit on an 02, the ones you have are very nice though.

 

[otisdog]

If that is original paint, it is in amazing shape....very few Fjord '74's escaped the dreaded warrantee paint job...many were redone in black.

[2002#3]

AV80R,

     Congratulations on your fine new ride!  The numerous 2002FAQ experts, their years of experience and expertise, and their sage advice and wise counsel are here to help you.  Use them.  I certainly do.

     Your alloy rims are lovely, suit your car, and are period-correct.  See photo for my "1973"/"BMW"/"FPS"-stamped rims on my '74 tii.  All the research I could find before I found these rims in Quebec indicated they were available as options for a '74 tii.  From what I could find, Hoffman importer installed these rims on many US 2002's.

Larry

 

[AV80R]

Thank you Larry. Your 02 is beautiful!!! [emoji7]

[AV80R]

Talking of e30 wheels, these are near flawless fit on an 02, the ones you have are very nice though.
 

For a larger diameter setup, that looks great. [emoji1360]

If that is original paint, it is in amazing shape....very few Fjord '74's escaped the dreaded warrantee paint job...many were redone in black.

It seems to be the original paint, but we will find out as I dig into it. There are issues that will have to be dealt with...rust bubbles here and there.

[Mike Self]

2002 US spec  Factory Alloy Wheels 101...

 

There were two "factory" alloy wheels offered on US 2002s--the early style with five oval slots divided by double ribs, used on '72 and '73 cars--not just tii's but for any 2002 whose owner either ordered 'em or shelled out the $$ to have 'em installed by the dealer.  Some cars came from the factory with those wheels already installed.  I believe they were first offered on 2002ti cars, which weren't imported to the US and were superseded by the first tii's in 1971 ('72 in the US).

 

It's entirely possible that some early alloy wheels found their way onto early squarelight tii's because Hoffman (or a local dealer) had some laying around, and didn't have the later style wheels yet...all sorts of strange things happened with these cars that aren't in the manuals.

 

The later "soup plate" wheels were offered in the US on squarelights, both carbureted and tii from 74 to the end of US production in 1976.  Again some came from the factory with 'em, or they could be installed by the dealer before delivery.  In an effort to sell slow moving automatics, Hoffman fitted a bunch of automatics with soup plate wheels.  They were also fitted to the legendary "last 200" '76 2002s--all silver sunroof cars with red interiors--and soup plate wheels.  

 

BMW still offers the early alloys today, but have not (to my knowledge) reproduced the later soup plate wheels.

 

mike

[AV80R]

Thanks for that tidbit Mike [emoji1360]

[OriginalOwner]

rstclark wrote,  "My first BMW was this same car  A 1974 Tii "

 

Same with me !!  My first BMW was a 1974 Tii ...... and I'm still driving mine, it is likewise a forever car.

     And there's another 2002 original owner up yonder in your area:  yeewiz on this forum.

 

So just drive it, drive it, and drive it some more !!  All the cosmetics will work themselves out.

 

Cheers,

 

Carl

 

[rstclark]

This is funny  Don't take Carl's opinion about original wheels  It's a standing joke here  The original wheels were steel wheels with slots  ask Carl for a photo of his original never been repainted wheels They are in absolutely horrible and cosmetically unattractive condition .  ( Love you Carl)  I've' threaten to re paint his in a parking lot  but he won't budge on his " original" wheels

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Overall   "Stay Calm"  don't make any drastic moves on this car ---- unless you want to part with it and I would be "all over "  buying my old 74 Tii again

My sense is that's not happening So again Congratulations  

[SydneyTii]

5 hours ago, 2002#3 said:

AV80R,

     Congratulations on your fine new ride!  The numerous 2002FAQ experts, their years of experience and expertise, and their sage advice and wise counsel are here to help you.  Use them.  I certainly do.

     Your alloy rims are lovely, suit your car, and are period-correct.  See photo for my "1973"/"BMW"/"FPS"-stamped rims on my '74 tii.  All the research I could find before I found these rims in Quebec indicated they were available as options for a '74 tii.  From what I could find, Hoffman importer installed these rims on many US 2002's.

Larry

 

Oh they look lovely, as does the car...... now if only they looked as good on a white car!

[Conserv]

15 hours ago, SydneyTii said:

Those are e30 wheels. 

 

Gentlemen,

 

This discussion seems to be completely under control, but please allow me to butt in! ?

 

There were two OEM factory alloy rims for ‘02’s:

 

1.  Early OEM alloy rim (approximately April 1971 through the end of 1973 model production). They are 5x13, ET29. This is essentially the “late round taillight” alloy rim.  These were manufactured for BMW by F.P.S. (Fratelli Pedrini Sarezzo). And, beginning approximately 20 years ago, BMW began re-offering the same rim, also manufactured by F.P.S. These are still available from BMW. The period examples were marked “FPS” on the reverse side; modern re-pops are marked “FPS” on the face. The first two photos below show a period early OEM alloy rim.

 

The introduction of these rims coincided with the Modell 71 “refresh” of April 1971 and the rims were part of the Sport Paket on the also-then-new touring models (the touring models never having been imported by BMW into the U.S.), an option frequently found on the 2000tii touring, perhaps the genesis of the faulty “tii alloy” nomenclature.

 

There was no specific designation of these rims for a particular sub-model, such as the tii. Nonetheless, as a U.S. dealer option, more probably found their way onto tii’s, as those were the guys who had money to spend on new rims! ? 

 

These rims were rare during the ‘02 era, and thus remain rare in their period version.  But after 20 years of production of the repro version, I see far more repros, even on my own ‘73 tii... ?

 

2.  Late OEM alloy rim (1974 models through the end of ‘02 production in 1976, possibly the end of 1502 production in 1977). They are 5x13, ET28. This is the “square taillight” alloy rim. These were manufactured for BMW by both F.P.S. and Mahle. The third and fourth photos show the F.P.S. and Mahle versions of the late OEM alloy rim. The same style rim was available in a 5.5x13, ET18, size (optional on the early Euro-spec e21) and a 6x13, ET13, size (optional on the factory ‘02 turbo).

 

There was no specific designation of these rims for a particular sub-model, such as the tii. In the U.S. market, where they were a dealer option, these were rare during the 1974-76 period, with one exception: many late OEM alloys were installed and provided free on 2002A’s — the rims being installed at the docks and at dealers — in an effort to stimulate sales of the slow-moving automatic-transmission cars. Back in the day — the 1970’s — if you saw a square taillight with late OEM rims, dollars to donuts that car was a 2002A! ?

 

Given this background, I, at first, hesitated to install the late OEM alloys on my ‘76 (this was circa 2012) because I thought some people might construe the car to be a 2002A. I ain’t kiddin’! ?

 

The last (fifth) photo is of my never-an-automatic ‘76 with late OEM alloys.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited June 11, 2019 by Conserv

[kbmb02]

OP: Congrats on the Tii. ... and, likewise, on the Pinto wagon. -KB

[AV80R]

This is funny  Don't take Carl's opinion about original wheels  It's a standing joke here  The original wheels were steel wheels with slots  ask Carl for a photo of his original never been repainted wheels They are in absolutely horrible and cosmetically unattractive condition .  ( Love you Carl)  I've' threaten to re paint his in a parking lot  but he won't budge on his " original" wheels

.

Overall   "Stay Calm"  don't make any drastic moves on this car ---- unless you want to part with it and I would be "all over "  buying my old 74 Tii again

My sense is that's not happening So again Congratulations  

 

Thanks! It will be a slow and careful process. I'm sure it will cost more than I expect too!

 

 

OP: Congrats on the Tii. ... and, likewise, on the Pinto wagon. -KB

 

Thanks! The Pinto was a time capsule barn find. Driven 88k miles from new in 1980 and parked in 1988.

 

 

 

 

 

Here's my E39. I ride motorcycles with Steve Dinan so of course I had to buy a bunch of his stuff for this little commuter. The 18" x 9" BBS style 42 OE wheels are rare.

 

 

 

 

And my 1954 Cessna that is a constant restoration project.

 

 

Here's a Kawasaki ZRX that I went nuts on. Built every nut and bolt by my hand. Has 189 HP at the rear wheel and lost 100 lbs.

 

 

 

And a Citabria that I'm completely restoring right now.

 

 

 

I could go on and on with off topic stuff but you guys have the jist of my "disease". [emoji51]

[Conserv]

 

1 hour ago, AV80R said:

 

...I could go on and on with off topic stuff but you guys have the jist of my "disease". ...

 

 

I predict you’ll be fine! Just don’t stop too quickly in that Pinto.... ?

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

[AV80R]

 
I predict you’ll be fine! Just don’t stop too quickly in that Pinto.... [emoji39]
 
Regards,
 
Steve
 

Every time someone asks "Don't those blow up?"

I answer, "Yup. Mine is the last one left."

[emoji16]