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What Is The Best Solution For Some More Clearance On Front Wheels?


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Hey guys, I need some help on deciding what option is BEST for me and my car.

 

I have some 15" BBS wheels with Toyo Proxes 4's with a an aspect ratio of 195/50/15  I was looking at options on the Toyo site for other tires that might be slightly smaller, no luck.  The O.D. of my tires is 22.8 with a width of 7.8.  If I move to a 185/55r I go to 23" O.D. with a width of 7.6.  Maybe there is another tire out there?  

Basically when I drive hard, brake hard and turn, the tire rubs the fender.  The fenders have been rolled already and there really isn't anymore I can get by doing that.  One thing I was looking at was the clearance between the inner tire / wheel and the strut.  There is about 3/8" gap there so I was considering milling 1/4" off the hub of the front wheels.  Can you guys please take a look and see what you think?  I don't think I want to toe them in any more, they're about perfect as is but that went through my head as well.  Thanks in advance!

 

Geoff

 

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here you can see where the fender is burning / cutting a line

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check that wheels have the correct offset.  you don't say what offset you have.  (should be 25-27mm)

 

get stiffer springs (not shorter) and sway bars to reduce the body roll that is induced.

 

get upper strut mounts that allow you more camber.

 

your fenders can be pulled A LOT more than you have done so far.  you could get another half inch easy.

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Just guessing that you have ET25 and 7" wide wheel? Some milling is possible but 1/4th may weaken the hub area too much. Really hard to say. I have similar size BBS RM and I took about 2mm off. Didn't dare more. I have the same exact situation with rubbing. Rubs lightly when running on track.

 

Difference is that I have 205/50 tire and I have increased camber with fixed camber plates (home made).

In your case adding the camber plates might be enough if you don't have any yet.

 

  Tommy

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Many people run 195/50/15 & 205/50/15s.  I have both and my car is much lower.  You need fixed camber plates or even better, adjustable camber plates and you should be fine even without additional rolling of the fenders.  Ireland Engineering can help.

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I struggled with this for some time while running both 195's and 205's. I did camber plates, rolled fender lips, etc... Ultimately I just accepted that I had the wrong offset wheels, replaced them, and haven't looked back. From the photos, it looks to me like this may be the case for you also as numerous people run 195's with no issue.

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Fender flares man, all the clearance you want! I will be running mine just so my 205's will clear (hitting strut perch so I need spacers)

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My S Drives rub on the fender and have been doing so on HARD turns since I got em. Hasn't caused too much of an issue so I dont worry about it. I would get stiffer springs, add camber, and roll those fenders just a tad.

-Nathan
'76 2002 in Malaga (110k Original, 2nd Owner, sat for 20 years and now a toy)
'86 Chevy K20 (6.2 Turbo Diesel build) & '46 Chevy 2 Ton Dump Truck
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Thanks for your feedback guys.  RoadHog, aren't you rubbing paint off?  My paint rubbed right off.  I'm concerned about it cutting through the tire and pop.  Plus, it's just not good.

I think I'm going to get some coil overs.  The fenders are rolled already.  I don't want to "pull" them or put flares on.

 

Thanks again guys!

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Thanks for your feedback guys.  RoadHog, aren't you rubbing paint off?  My paint rubbed right off.  I'm concerned about it cutting through the tire and pop.  Plus, it's just not good.

I think I'm going to get some coil overs.  The fenders are rolled already.  I don't want to "pull" them or put flares on.

 

Thanks again guys!

Oh ya, paints long gone on about 4 inches of the inside lip, havent eaten up the tires too bad at all, you can see it's very lightly grooved, but not enough that it's worrying me yet. I can get ya a picture of the wheels and clearance next weekend (car is a few hundred miles away right now). This is how the front sits now;

 

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-Nathan
'76 2002 in Malaga (110k Original, 2nd Owner, sat for 20 years and now a toy)
'86 Chevy K20 (6.2 Turbo Diesel build) & '46 Chevy 2 Ton Dump Truck
'74 Suzuki TS185, '68 BSA A65 Lightning (garage find), '74 BMW R90S US Spec #2

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My Dad always says, "If your tires don't rub a little, they're not big enough. His Ti always has either 205/60-13 or 205/50-15's depending on mood and decade. Just keep in mind that many people run with 205/50-15's; I have for eons. With the right wheel offset 195's are easy, and should clear w/o issues. A little bit of rubbing is acceptable, that's part of having a lowered car and big tires/wheels, and actually enjoying driving it. That said.... It's expensive, but rebuilding your wheels is a viable option... They appear to be BBS RS and can be built in unlimited offsets/widths. You still haven't said what the size and offset/et?? of your wheels is...

Tom Jones

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