K-fish pump numbers????

[inkatouring]

I have a k-fish pump that has the following numbers in the little triangle area: PL04.124.02. Mean anything to anyone? The pump was allegedly a real deal ALPINA A4 pump, but those are not the numbers given to me by a well-known pump rebuilder (and the numbers I was told by the rebuilder are on the pump I have in my touring, which was MarkMac's old real deal ALPINA pump).

TIA

[penth2o]

I think that was the numbers on my Tii. I'm not sure so I went to the registry and found this.

http://2002tii.org/kb/133

1974 2002tii(USA) PL04-124.02

Also remember reading this on the same site. It is a PDF for racing applications on the K-fish.

"The attached PDF documentation below is of historical nature. It was provided to us in the late 1980s by Shafer Einspritztechnik in Germany. They built pumps for racing applications.

The documentation attached to this page discusses how their pump would be installed and configured for the well known Schnitzer and A4 Alpina type slide throttle injection systems of the 70s."

http://www.tiiregister.com/pump/racing_pump_mods_tii.pdf

I don't know much of what your talking about with the racing end of it but just remember reading all this when I first got my Tii.

Hope you can get something out of it that applies to what your looking for.

EDIT:

Inka,

Out of curiosity I started reading about the racing K-fish. I'm probably wrong but could it be that there were only two k-fish types. Early & late.

I read the late used a different cam 74 on.

Could there be no certain number for an A4 and they just tuned the early k-fish for racing like in the PDF above? I'm outta my league here...

[c.d.iesel]

all i know is do not mix injection pumps

with different year tii 's per BMW (for stock tii 's)

ignition distributor/advance curve, cam shaft, compression

are just a few factors in correct Air/Fuel ratios through

out the entire RPM range

i don't have any information on the injection pump

coding numbers - and you mightl find a 'non-original' CONE inside

[BillWilliams]

Dave Redzus has all those numbers and which year had what numbers.

It would be nice if anyone knows Dave to see if he would let us publish those.

Hummm

[c.d.iesel]

......yes, it would be nice

[jgerock]

Lots of discussions about the pumps here on the FAQ. As C.D. mentioned, you shouldn't mix and match the pump and the throttle body (possibly the tii distributor too).

Take a look at the date casting number on the pump housing. Mine appears to be made in October 1972.

I.D. tag on the outer side

Seems the 72/73 KF pump has a spring return on the enrichment device (back of pump above the warm-up regulator). 74 Pumps do not have this spring arrangement.

72/73 throttle bodies have a different CO adjustment than the 74 ones. The BMW fuel injection manual has a good side-by-side picture.

[inkatouring]

Could there be no certain number for an A4 and they just tuned the early k-fish for racing like in the PDF above? I'm outta my league here...

There is (are) certain number(s) for the ALPINA pump but the implication also was from my pump guru that stock pumps were modified by ALPINA without the numbers being changed in addition to the pump with the "ALPINA-only" number(s).

So it looks like this a stock 74 USA tii pump body at least. Now the question is what is inside it.....

Interesting stuff. Thanks all.

[Henryn02]

Mine reads:

The BOSCH tag reads:

PLO4-129.10 721

[erneland]

Since I have a A4 ITB set on my car and it runs nicely with the Kügelfischer pump installed (by someone in the late 70th) does this mean that it's somewhat modified? Camshaft is a 304 degree one. 9.5:1 in comp.

Brgds,

Michael

[erneland]

My pump...

[fast90]

I think that was the numbers on my Tii. I'm not sure so I went to the registry and found this.

http://2002tii.org/kb/133

1974 2002tii(USA) PL04-124.02

Also remember reading this on the same site. It is a PDF for racing applications on the K-fish.

"The attached PDF documentation below is of historical nature. It was provided to us in the late 1980s by Shafer Einspritztechnik in Germany. They built pumps for racing applications.

The documentation attached to this page discusses how their pump would be installed and configured for the well known Schnitzer and A4 Alpina type slide throttle injection systems of the 70s."

http://www.tiiregister.com/pump/racing_pump_mods_tii.pdf

I don't know much of what your talking about with the racing end of it but just remember reading all this when I first got my Tii.

Hope you can get something out of it that applies to what your looking for.

EDIT:

Inka,

Out of curiosity I started reading about the racing K-fish. I'm probably wrong but could it be that there were only two k-fish types. Early & late.

I read the late used a different cam 74 on.

Could there be no certain number for an A4 and they just tuned the early k-fish for racing like in the PDF above? I'm outta my league here...

hi , who's a copy of the "racing_pump_mods_tii.pdf" because the page doesn't exist

thanks

[mattij]

I think that was the numbers on my Tii. I'm not sure so I went to the registry and found this.

http://2002tii.org/kb/133

1974 2002tii(USA) PL04-124.02

Also remember reading this on the same site. It is a PDF for racing applications on the K-fish.

"The attached PDF documentation below is of historical nature. It was provided to us in the late 1980s by Shafer Einspritztechnik in Germany. They built pumps for racing applications.

The documentation attached to this page discusses how their pump would be installed and configured for the well known Schnitzer and A4 Alpina type slide throttle injection systems of the 70s."

http://www.tiiregister.com/pump/racing_pump_mods_tii.pdf

I don't know much of what your talking about with the racing end of it but just remember reading all this when I first got my Tii.

Hope you can get something out of it that applies to what your looking for.

EDIT:

Inka,

Out of curiosity I started reading about the racing K-fish. I'm probably wrong but could it be that there were only two k-fish types. Early & late.

I read the late used a different cam 74 on.

Could there be no certain number for an A4 and they just tuned the early k-fish for racing like in the PDF above? I'm outta my league here...

hi , who's a copy of the "racing_pump_mods_tii.pdf" because the page doesn't exist

thanks

Does anyone have a copy of this file ?

and the other one http://www.tiiregister.com/pump/shafer_pump_overview.pdf

also referred to at tiiregister.com and 2002tii.org

many thanks

matti

[Tommy]

Played with google on lunch hour and I was able to find the first one at least.

Look here

http://www.bmw02portal.nl/portal/index.php5?d=/BMW02/Technisch%202002/Tii

I'm afraid you were hoping more from the content though.

Tommy

[markmac]

Search my blog some, I have 3 or 4 posts on it. The AlpinA street pumps as far as I know were always number PL04 129.10 and then varying numbers after that.

www.alpinabmw2002.com

[Guest Anonymous]

Here is one you are not likely to see - AlpinA Race Pump (Unrestricted) with 7.5 mm pistons - good for 300bhp. PLO4 128.121.8

I asked Koller+Schwemmer about the numbering....their response was check with AlpinA.

www.alpinabmw2002.com