Another S14 swap on BAT

[Leucadian]

Throw a sheet of glass on top of that tii engine, and you've got yourself a nice coffee table. 

 

Center console could use the Kooglewerks treatment, otherwise 10/10 would drive.   

 

 

[M3This]

Hi Guys,

 

Looks like another S14 on BAT:

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/bmw-s14-engine-with-modified-getrag245/

 

This time being listed by Terry Sayther, whom seems like he has a good rep on the boards. My only question is Im curious to other's thoughts on the big weld on the trans. Here is his explanation: 

 

"The transmission belhousing must have provision for the crankshaft sensors. The way I make that happen is to cut out that portion of the s14 bellhousing and transfer it to the similar but not identical bellhousing of the 245 trans. The modification part is bolted to a block along with the trans to provide proper alignment and the two are welded together."

 

I feel like I haven't seen it done this way on most of the other S14 swaps on here, or did I just miss that? I thought the 245 was a straight bolt up. 

[Ian]

That's essentially how Pete McHenry added the motronic sensor to my 245 housing.  

Edited November 19, 2021 by Ian

[irdave]

It's believable- (there were) huge sensors in the side of my bell housing- 265 gearbox.  Currently on Haltech stand-a-lone, so crank and cam position sensors now.

[M3M3]

57 minutes ago, M3This said:

Hi Guys,

 

Looks like another S14 on BAT:

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/bmw-s14-engine-with-modified-getrag245/

 

This time being listed by Terry Sayther, whom seems like he has a good rep on the boards. My only question is Im curious to other's thoughts on the big weld on the trans. Here is his explanation: 

 

"The transmission belhousing must have provision for the crankshaft sensors. The way I make that happen is to cut out that portion of the s14 bellhousing and transfer it to the similar but not identical bellhousing of the 245 trans. The modification part is bolted to a block along with the trans to provide proper alignment and the two are welded together."

 

I feel like I haven't seen it done this way on most of the other S14 swaps on here, or did I just miss that? I thought the 245 was a straight bolt up.

That is the normal way to run a 245 with an S14.  Ecu must have those sensors in the right place for the engine to run.   Aardvark, Ben T, Terry S are some of the few folks who have a jig and know how to do this.

 

A 245 is not a "bolt on" to an S14.

[irdave]

15 minutes ago, M2M3 said:

That is the normal way to run a 245 with an S14.  Ecu must have those sensors in the right place for the engine to run.   Aardvark, Ben T, Terry S are some of the few folks who have a jig and know how to do this.

 

A 245 is not a "bolt on" to an S14.

 

Is it that the 245 is not a bolt on to the s14, or is it that the Motronic is not a bolt on to the 2002/245?

Edited November 19, 2021 by irdave

[M3This]

Thanks guys for the reply. Much appreciated. 

 

Anyone have experience with Terry's rebuilds? As it looks like he rebuilt the engine as well. 

Edited November 19, 2021 by M3This

[M3M3]

If considering putting an S14 in a 2002..

A/ buy the swap manual from aardvark racing.

B/ spend time reading the swap threads in the projects sub forum.  Two of the longest, most detailed, project threads are the s14 swap cars of Steve Peterson and myself.

 

The swap is not trivial if done right.

 

[zinz]

28 minutes ago, M3This said:

Anyone have experience with Terry's rebuilds? As it looks like he rebuilt the engine as well. 

Terry owns and runs a BMW Shop here in Austin since 1978. He “retired” five years ago... but still rebuilds engines because he enjoys that work. This S14 is the 68th rebuild he’s done just in the last five years. He knows a thing or two...

 

Ed Z

[M3This]

2 hours ago, M2M3 said:

If considering putting an S14 in a 2002..

A/ buy the swap manual from aardvark racing.

B/ spend time reading the swap threads in the projects sub forum.  Two of the longest, most detailed, project threads are the s14 swap cars of Steve Peterson and myself.

 

The swap is not trivial if done right.

 

i have the Aardvak manual already and read through it briefly. I’ll check the threads as well. 

[M3This]

1 hour ago, zinz said:

Terry owns and runs a BMW Shop here in Austin since 1978. He “retired” five years ago... but still rebuilds engines because he enjoys that work. This S14 is the 68th rebuild he’s done just in the last five years. He knows a thing or two...

 

Ed Z

Thanks for the feedback. I just didn’t know if he was a “engine builder” as I saw a lot of people say that with S14 to make sure whomever is building it knows what they are doing. I know there are shops that work on cars and then there are guys that really know their stuff when getting into the internals. 

[irdave]

2 hours ago, zinz said:

...This S14 is the 68th rebuild he’s done just in the last five years. He knows a thing or two...

 

Ed Z

 

Holy shit.

[jimk]

15 hours ago, M2M3 said:

A 245 is not a "bolt on" to an S14.

Not always, only if the 30 year old Motronic is used.  My 245 is a bolt on and when I installed the S14, the flywheel, transmission and driveline from the M10 was used unchanged.

[chargin]

On 10/7/2021 at 7:53 AM, Tdh said:

Someone else can worry about its value after I'm dead!

For Sure!

I always think of my 2002 value like my house value, I’m not selling so I’m not that concerned.

S14 build would be amazing but I think in today’s market pricing I couldn’t imagine building one for myself, realistically it could be a $50k swap with a motor refresh.

 

[AceAndrew]

17 hours ago, M3This said:

. I know there are shops that work on cars and then there are guys that really know their stuff when getting into the internals. 

 

Having dealt with hundreds of shops in a tech-support role, I've gotten a good feel of who knows their crap.

 

Terry is one of my top ten in the OG category.