body and interior Tii Clock Repair Revelations

[PaulTWinterton]

Jack_K, sorry, I don't know about the VDO clock. My gut tells me it will be completely different. You'll need other opinions or experience to get a definitive answer.

Good luck.

[Jack_K]

Ah, I was afraid that might be the case.  Thanks for the reply, Paul.  I'll keep looking.  If and when I get it working, I'll be sure to post a tutorial here.  

[carpediem]

Actually, after I repaired my clock and it stopped working again, I spoke to the folks at The Clock Works and they seemed to imply that the VDO and the Kienzle were the same.  I believe Keinzle is a very old clock maker and perhaps VDO gets the mechanism from them.  

 

I have no affiliation with them, but had excellent service.  www.clockwks.com and give them a call

[OriginalOwner]

y'all got me curious, so I installed a fuse for the non-op clock.  I get a tick tick tick but no clunk ..... and the hands do not move.

 

my '74tii clock face looks like this picture I found on the 'net:

 

 

Cheers,

 

Carl

[MikeWooldridge]

'74 cars do not have the same clock. All electric and not a DIY repair.

 

Here's a pic of the various clocks for the ti and tii:

 

 

Edited March 18, 2014 by MikeWooldridge

[PaulTWinterton]

I just learned that the clocks changed for the 1974 model year.  Pendulum electro-magnetic?

 

Anyone know why these stop working, as I've been told there is no internal fuse, .

[Swiss 2002Tii]

Paul, many thanks for posting this... I was pulling my instrument cluster to today to install the '72 year/model correct replacement, and I thought:  "Heck, I might as well keep going and take on the clock at the same time!"

Pulled the console and got the clock out easily enough, but I shudder at the prospect of getting it back in!

I kind of like Mike Wooldridge's solution of NOT installing it on the bracket, but I'll give it the "old school try" armed with Paul's handy "knurled nut placement tool"! 

 

I have a related question:

When I pulled the instrument cluster, I found that the dealer had done a funky job of wiring in the clock.  They piggy-backed the clock power off of the tacho power and cluster perimeter lamps. Most likely they didn't have a second 3-pin connector for the clock.

 

It will work, but I've read on other threads that the clock is actually powered off of another three pins on the right of the back panel Circled in blue):

 

 

I have verified that they share the same 12V/Ground circuit, so I'm inclined to separate the two circuits per the original configuration.  

 

My question:  Does anybody out there have, or know a source for an extra 3-pin plug to use on the right-hand pins (and connector pins)?  I can jury-rig a connection, but I'd rather have the real deal.  I have seen a thread where somebody had a friend 3-D print one, but haven't found the thread yet.

 

Next step is to pry off the bezel and work on the clock!  Here goes...

 

 

[jgerock]

4 hours ago, Swiss 2002Tii said:

Paul, many thanks for posting this... I was pulling my instrument cluster to today to install the '72 year/model correct replacement, and I thought:  "Heck, I might as well keep going and take on the clock at the same time!"

Pulled the console and got the clock out easily enough, but I shudder at the prospect of getting it back in!

I kind of like Mike Wooldridge's solution of NOT installing it on the bracket, but I'll give it the "old school try" armed with Paul's handy "knurled nut placement tool"! 

 

I have a related question:

When I pulled the instrument cluster, I found that the dealer had done a funky job of wiring in the clock.  They piggy-backed the clock power off of the tacho power and cluster perimeter lamps. Most likely they didn't have a second 3-pin connector for the clock.

 

It will work, but I've read on other threads that the clock is actually powered off of another three pins on the right of the back panel Circled in blue):

 

 

I have verified that they share the same 12V/Ground circuit, so I'm inclined to separate the two circuits per the original configuration.  

 

My question:  Does anybody out there have, or know a source for an extra 3-pin plug to use on the right-hand pins (and connector pins)?  I can jury-rig a connection, but I'd rather have the real deal.  I have seen a thread where somebody had a friend 3-D print one, but haven't found the thread yet.

 

Next step is to pry off the bezel and work on the clock!  Here goes...

 

 

I am not sure why BMW wired the clock in the cluster to the round set of pins on the cluster (circled in blue) and used the triple half moon pins (circled in red) for the ti and tii clock.  FAQr Tsingtao can hook you up for clock works.  Something about the lights for each one.

Edited February 17, 2018 by jgerock

[02Les]

 

The pic is the back of one of my clusters and the tach is fed from the far right connection (ringed in blue), and thus the tii clock from the connection ringed in red.

 

This also the connections shown in my Touring Handbook for the tii. Hopefully you can make the pic bigger.

 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by 02Les

[ray_]

Yeah but Jim's right, if the clock is where the tach goes....

[Tsingtao_1903]

On 3/18/2014 at 11:08 AM, PaulTWinterton said:

Anyone know why these stop working, as I've been told there is no internal fuse,

I attempted to repair 2 late Tii clocks with the circuit board.  One was dead electrically.  With no circuit diagram and no parts list, no hope of doing anything.  Also, the magnetically suspended balance wheel (pendulum) got out of whack.  It could not be adjusted back in place. 

The other was good electrically.  Two of the nylon gears were not engaging correctly.  Some disassembly, readjustment....  It is still running and keeping good time.

[Tsingtao_1903]

5 hours ago, Swiss 2002Tii said:

3-pin plug

I machined these from nylon 66 stock to feed my clock habit (ehr, I mean hobby ).  The one on the left is for the red circled pins.  One on the right is for blue circled pins.

Edited February 17, 2018 by Tsingtao_1903

[ray_]

I'll bid 50 cents. 

 

Shipped.

 

[Tsingtao_1903]

50 cents and one of your pies.  Deal?

[ray_]

You know very well those don't ship well!