BASF Diamont Paint Formula Pastel Blue 044

[Smithdog]

 My 75 2002 was in an accident, I'm taking it to the body shop next week.  The body shop has a BASF Diamont paint machine, however his formula book does not go back to 1975.  I'm hoping the someone can help me with the formula Pastel Blue 044.  Thanks  Ron

[TobyB]

In your place, I have gone to the local autobody supply,

had them look it up in other systems, and then translated that into

the system the shop uses.  They have a cross- reference chart- or BASF should.

 

all I got,

t

 

[esty]

you'll get the best match, regardless of paint brand by having the shop color match the paint on your car...nothing off a chart will match as you probably expect

[JQ02]

As far as I've come to learn, Glasurit is the BASF product that BMW uses. Congrats for finding a shop that does BASF; not as many do.

You can use this tool to get the formula. It's pretty finicky and awkward to use. I couldn't get it to do what I want just now, but see how you make out. 

https://coloronline.glasurit.com/

 

22 line is single step (non-clearcoat) and may be what you want

55 line is solvent based basecoat / clearcoat

90 line is waterbased and definitely not what was used from the factory, but if the shop can do water-based, it could still be the way to go.

And, Sorry to hear your 2002 was in an accident!

 

 

Edited May 6 by JQ02
bummer about the accident!

[Ian]

In the past I’ve found Pastel Blau in color charts for an e21, you might try there.

[TobyB]

If it's a metallic (I thought it was) you definitely want base- clear.

 

t

knows a few things.

[JQ02]

38 minutes ago, TobyB said:

If it's a metallic (I thought it was) you definitely want base- clear.

 

Was basecoat / clearcoat a thing in '75?

The glasurit coloronline tool was kinda wacky today cuz I could only get it to show 90 line and I'm pretty sure there was no water-based in '75.

[Son of Marty]

6 minutes ago, JQ02 said:

Was basecoat / clearcoat a thing in '75?

Yes, but not for long😫.

[Ian]

9 hours ago, TobyB said:

If it's a metallic (I thought it was) you definitely want base- clear.

No, the Pastel Blau isn’t a metallic. I had my car resprayed with a single stage Pastel Blau and it came out pretty nice.  But the next time will probably be 2-stage since that’s what most painters are familiar with nowadays.

[Conserv]

9 hours ago, Son of Marty said:

Yes, but not for long😫.

+1

 

The “PVC free” versions of Glasurit’s two-stage metallic paints were introduced in 1973. As had been their previous single-stage metallics, the two-stage metallics were a friggin’ disaster. Horizontal surfaces — e.g., hoods, roofs, deck lids — generally failed within 2-3 years. I’d say Glasurit’s paint-testing processes were… wholly inadequate!

 

Recognizing that this post adds absolutely nothing to this thread, I had to jump in since Glasurit’s miserable two-stage paint, and BMW’s equally miserable handling of its early failure, led to my 34-year boycott of BMW’s… 😟

I’m feeling a bit better now. Thank you for listening. 😋

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

[JQ02]

44 minutes ago, Conserv said:

Recognizing that this post adds absolutely nothing to this thread, I had to jump in since Glasurit’s miserable two-stage paint, and BMW’s equally miserable handling of its early failure, led to my 34-year boycott of BMW’s… 😟

I’m feeling a bit better now. Thank you for listening. 😋

 

Glad you're feeling better now

My 2002 was resprayed with Glasurit Arktisblau > 6 yrs ago and, while not applied well, seems to have held up well. I'm going with Tanzanite II.
I've been going out of my way to track down a place that does Glasurit. Would I be better off with PPG?

[TobyB]

If you're paying someone else to spray,

let them spray the system they like best.

Within reason, of course.

 

PPG, Sikkens, BASF, hell, even the top- line M-S are all fine products.

Applied well over good bodywork, you'll be happy.

 

When you go into a restaurant, you accept the 'supplier choices' as part of the meal.

The material is just one ingredient

in a finish on a car...

 

Now, if you're going to the grocery store, it's just good sense to pick your

ingredients carefully, and do your research.  I learned the PPG systems because

several different supply shops knew it well, and by shopping at all of them,

I got their support when I screwed up, when they mis- mixed, and when things

none of us understood at first went wrong.  And that was well worth the slight 

price premium I paid over the counter.

 

As to modern paints-

we're spoiled.

 

Paints used to last 5 years if you waxed them daily.  Then you wore through them.

 

Now they last 20 years if we don't pour acid on them and set them on fire.

 

t

better living through chemistry.

 

[Son of Marty]

5 hours ago, Conserv said:

I’d say Glasurit’s paint-testing processes were… wholly inadequate!

 

At the time all the paint manufactures had the same problem, the u/v protection added at the time would add a yellow tint to the finish so it was used sparingly, if at all, this lead to a expansion and temperature difference that sooner or later broke the bond between the base coat and clear coat.

 

[JQ02]

7 hours ago, TobyB said:

Now they last 20 years if we don't pour acid on them and set them on fire.

 

No kidding! I got a dented Hyundai door from a body shop to practice welding on. My grinder had a wire wheel on it when I went to strip it - after about 30 seconds I realized I needed some 80 grit - the wire wheel barely dulled the shine. Crazy.

[Smithdog]

Thank you everyone for your comments, the goes in on Monday.