engine and drivetrain Wrong heater hose??

[rapandi]

I just received my order from WN and one of the items I ordered was the heater hose going from the engine to the heater valve. (RHD 2002TII)

 

OEM part number is 64211354599. I emailed WN prior to ordering and quoted this part number and they responded saying that they have them in stock.

 

If you look at the hose they have sent me, it is nowhere near the shape that is shown in REALOEM (part #2). Or do they just come like this and then have to be stretched out?

 

 

 

 

Am I correct in saying that this is the wrong hose? I have never had WN send me the wrong goods so I am kind of doubting myself here and hence this posting...

 

By the way the width of that hose from edge to edge is approx 200mm. Internal Dia is 18mm.

 

Raj

Edited January 11, 2016 by rapandi

[John_in_VA]

Realoem & bmwfans.info online parts catalogs are somewhat generic, in that the BMW-sourced diagrams might not match the actual part configuration.  I have not had the occasion to research RHD parts, so don't know if there are entirely different diagram sets for RHD vs. LHD part numbers.

Perhaps you can provide W&N with a photo of your existing part to confirm that they sent the correct/incorrect hose.

[garya]

The hose in the picture looks like the one from the intake manifold to the heater on my US 1972 model. The one from the back of the engine to the heater valve is shaped like the diagram.

 

I lied before... that isn't what it looks like.  I think the one you are looking for comes from the back of the engine to the heater control valve? 

Mine looks like this on USA model: http://bavauto.com/assets/imglib500/64211353368.jpg

Hope that helps

Edited January 11, 2016 by garya

[rapandi]

Garya - That is exactly what I thought it should look like

 

John - the PO blocked the water port and basically got rid of the hose connection from the engine to the heater. So I don't know what the hose should look like apart from what it shows on websites like realoem etc.

 

I am going to write to them asking if it is a mix up.

 

Thanks

[John_in_VA]

While we have some RHD owners here, perhaps you can get an answer from one of the UK forums:

http://www.02forum.co.uk/

http://forum.bmw2002.co.uk/

 

or the 2002 Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/bmw02

[Mike Self]

What year is your '02?

 

As I'm sure you know, there were two different heater cores and thus two different heater hose sets used on 2002s. Early cars had smaller diameter nipples on both the heater core and the engine, so the hoses were smaller in diameter.  Later cars used larger diameter hoses, and when the two barrel manifold was introduced, the return hose (on the engine's left or intake side) was shaped differently. This may be what's causing confusion on your car. 

 

If you can find a factory parts book to peruse, you should be able to identify the correct hose for your car's VIN--unless of course a PO has bodged things, like installing a later heater in an early car...

 

mike

[Simeon]

Let me get home and I will scope out my hose Raj. I can't see how RHD would be any different. Usually Realoem correctly addresses RHD cars if you have entered your car details up front so would identify if there was a difference by only giving you the correct RHD part number (even if the diagram may not be correct).

[rapandi]

Thanks Simeon.

 

I honestly cannot see how RHD can be any different either.

 

Here is a pic of what this hose looks like on my engine. Notice how it swoops down in to the bell housing area. There is no way this hose can fit if the engine and transmission were in the car.

 

I have written to WN. Just awaiting their response. In my correspondence with them I requested pipe with part number 64211354599. I remember WN saying they have the correct hose and would send it to me. They usually don't stuff up like this. So either I have it wrong or they have it wrong. I am just making sure I have not stuffed up.

 

 

Look closely and you can see this new hose interfering with the return hose from the heater to the engine block.

[JohnH]

I've just looked at my rhd may/73 tii and the inlet hose looks exactly like #2 in the diagram and like garya's bavauto hose.

 

The return hose is different from the diagram, but nothing like the WN hose. 

 

Does the WN hose have a BMW part number on it?

 

Edited January 12, 2016 by JohnH

[rapandi]

Thanks for the confirmation. The hose does not have a BMW part sticker on it. It has some hand written WN sticker. Which means it is not an original BMW hose I think.

[JohnH]

No problemo.

 

https://shop.bmw-classic.de still show this part is available from your local BMW parts counter;

 

 

euro 22.16. You may even be able to order directly from bmw via the above link. I can in the UK and do. Orders over about euro 50 come to me post and packing free of charge. 

[Simeon]

Hmmm having looked at the hose on my March '73 car, I would say it was the right hose. My hose has 90 degree bends at each end and a section that runs horizontally before dropping down and then running back again in the same direction where it then runs into the back of the head. The diagram looks like it would almost go 'diagonally' and take the shortest route between the two ends.

Not that easy to see:

Edited January 12, 2016 by Simeon

[JohnH]

Bare in mind that the tii uses a different hose. See parts catalog extract above.

 

It would seem that WN sent a carbie hose. 

[Simeon]

Thanks Simeon.

 

I honestly cannot see how RHD can be any different either.

 

Here is a pic of what this hose looks like on my engine. Notice how it swoops down in to the bell housing area. There is no way this hose can fit if the engine and transmission were in the car.

 

I have written to WN. Just awaiting their response. In my correspondence with them I requested pipe with part number 64211354599. I remember WN saying they have the correct hose and would send it to me. They usually don't stuff up like this. So either I have it wrong or they have it wrong. I am just making sure I have not stuffed up.

 

DSC_0133.JPG

 

Look closely and you can see this new hose interfering with the return hose from the heater to the engine block.

From this picture, rotate this clockwise about 90 degrees and it will be about right.

Thanks Simeon.

 

I honestly cannot see how RHD can be any different either.

 

Here is a pic of what this hose looks like on my engine. Notice how it swoops down in to the bell housing area. There is no way this hose can fit if the engine and transmission were in the car.

 

I have written to WN. Just awaiting their response. In my correspondence with them I requested pipe with part number 64211354599. I remember WN saying they have the correct hose and would send it to me. They usually don't stuff up like this. So either I have it wrong or they have it wrong. I am just making sure I have not stuffed up.

 

DSC_0133.JPG

 

Look closely and you can see this new hose interfering with the return hose from the heater to the engine block.

From this picture, rotate this clockwise about 90 degrees and it will be about right.

Bare in mind that the tii uses a different hose. See parts catalog extract above.

 

It would seem that WN sent a carbie hose.

Aha! That could be it. Mine is carb of course.

[rapandi]

Simeon I think you are right!

 

I couldn't have worked this out without your picture and the fact that I don't have the hose from PO.

 

Thanks mate! I guess the REALOEM schematics aren't always a true representation.