body and interior Info On Factory Installed Webasto Sunroofmanual Slide Metaal Sunroof

[dukepol]

Odd Sunroof I have tracked down it a Wabasto Factory installed in 1974

 

I have a 74 2002 with larger than Golde Sunroof. It is factory installed and does not use crank. It has handle you squeeze that releases sunroof so you can slide forward or backward. Never seen one like this in 20 plus years. need a couple parts to get it working properly.

It is about 3" longer than standard Golde Sunroof , different mounting and different headliner material.

 

Any info would be great.

 

Will post more photos this weekend after I take it all apart.

 

Thanks in advanceJ

 

Duke

NutnBut02s

[mo02]

I have owned a sunroof car, and from where I am sitting, this looks like a very good aftermarket job.

 

Others may be able to elaborate more.

 

-MF

[Conserv]

I'm working through a couple of possibilities:

First, 2002s have a pair of shadow lines (created by subtle creases), front to rear, on their roofs. I can't see them in your photographs (although they may remain). I say this because the last oversize steel sunroof I saw on a 2002, and I believe it was commented on on this forum as the car was listed on eBay, consisted of, in that case, a Mercedes sunroof beautifully transplanted into a 2002. But due to its size, they replaced the entire roof outer panel, and the shadow lines were lost. You really had to look carefully, and you needed someone like c.d. to identify the sunroof unit used in that instance, to realize what happened.

Second, Webasto roofs were very popular in the U.K., albeit generally of the folding cloth type. They were installed, generally/often into new cars, by authorized Webasto dealers. Did your car ever spend time in the U.K. or Europe?

Steve

Edited April 16, 2014 by Conserv

[jgerock]

Very interesting. The headliner and grab straps are also unique. I wonder if there are any part numbers or markings on the pieces?

[TobyB]

Yes- a crappy 1974 parts car had one that was manual.  As in, no crank, just a big handle.  But it looked

different than yours... I wish I'd saved pics.  It was certainly factory- I took it apart

to make sure it was.  I don't think any of it survived the implosion of the shop in 2012, but I MAY have saved

that beefy t- handle.  Which was different than what your picures look like.

 

It was a well- done thing- the half- turn mechanism was beefy and worked well even in a car that had been 

abandoned in a forest.  It took a healthy shove to turn and slide, but it behaved well.

 

Take a bunch of pictures- I wonder if it was a 74- only thing.

 

t

Edited April 17, 2014 by TobyB

[02Les]

Webasto = aftermarket IMHO.

The grab handles shown in your pic, also not factory.

 

What is the VIN?

[PetrolJunky]

Sorry to bring up an old post... but...

 

I just stumbled upon a 74 2002 with this same sunroof, the seller believes that it is factory.

 

What was the verdict on this one?

[dukepol]

It has been awhile. I started a new mattress company and have had no time to play with my beloved 2002s.

 

Here are more pics of my 1974  2002 with webasto metal sunroof

 

It has date of 9/23/74 hand written and the number 51 in two spots

[Conserv]

On 5/24/2017 at 8:37 PM, dukepol said:

It has been awhile. I started a new mattress company and have had no time to play with my beloved 2002s.

 

Here are more pics of my 1974  2002 with webasto metal sunroof

 

It has date of 9/23/74 hand written and the number 51 in two spots

 

Thanks for completing the loop, and giving us the skinny on this Webasto steel sliding roof.

 

The additional information provided by the "dissection" further cements my opinion on the roof.  Let me say that no German workman wrote the date, September 23, 1974, as "9/23/74", a U.S-only format.  September 23, 1974 would have been written 23.9.74, and perhaps even had the European "crossed 7".

 

But quite apart from this evidence, the idea that the Munich factory (a.) installed a single Webasto steel sliding roof, even though all previous and subsequent '02's used Golde sliding roofs, (b.) used a one-off headliner fabric, even though all previous and subsequent '02's used a different yet consistent style, (c.) came up with a...unique grab handle configuration to accommodate the greater depth of the Webasto roof, and (d.) did this all for a Hoffman-imported U.S.-spec car, seems highly, highly unlikely. So whereas I agree this sunroof was added to the car early, it was not as early as the BMW factory.

 

Here's my read of what happened, based admittedly on no known facts but, rather, on my personal knowledge of '02 buying in the early '70's.

 

With the exception of a tiny number of European-delivery cars, or a personal connection to Hoffman Motors (especially to Max Hoffman), you could not "order" U.S.-spec cars.  Rather, Hoffman Motors ordered them for you, and you chose from the cars Hoffman had ordered.  If your dealer did not have the car you dreamed of, he might be willing to make a few calls to see if another dealer had your dream car.  But mostly, if you wanted a specific color, equipment (mostly, sunroof), or model (e.g., tii or Automatic), you had to make compromises. I'd wager the original purchaser of your car really wanted both a specific color (is it originally a Fjord metallic car?) AND a sunroof. He/she purchased a non-sunroof car and the dealer, or the buyer him/herself, got in touch with a professional sunroof installer. And your car, in it's present configuration, was created.  The Webasto installation strikes me as workman-like, but not nearly as polished as a typical factory Golde installation.

 

So that's my opinion!

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited May 26, 2017 by Conserv

[dukepol]

Thanks.

 

 Now I need to track down a couple plastic parts that are broke and or missing for opening and closing the roof the rest of the parts seem to be there.

[Conserv]

5 hours ago, dukepol said:

Thanks.

 

 Now I need to track down a couple plastic parts that are broke and or missing for opening and closing the roof the rest of the parts seem to be there.

 

Webasto roofs were particularly popular in the U.K.  If you're looking for original parts, there may be greater possibilities there.

 

Regards,

 

Steve