How to bend strut tubes for more camber

[Son of Marty]

Well yes the internet and 60 years of being a mechanic on airplanes. boats, and cars, you ask most owners what makes their car go and they'll say the motor and not the engine. Ask a drag racer what's on top of his engine and they'll say a blower, where a blower is used to maintain atmospheric pressure as you gain altitude what they are running is a supercharger meant to boost pressure above atmospheric pressure. But why should we be stuck using the correct terms to get our meanings accross.   

 

[Cabbage Fumes]

11 minutes ago, Son of Marty said:

Well yes the internet and 60 years of being a mechanic on airplanes. boats, and cars, you ask most owners what makes their car go and they'll say the motor and not the engine. Ask a drag racer what's on top of his engine and they'll say a blower, where a blower is used to maintain atmospheric pressure as you gain altitude what they are running is a supercharger meant to boost pressure above atmospheric pressure. But why should we be stuck using the correct terms to get our meanings accross.   

 

Ok, then I think you should single-handedly let every provider of after market coil over conversions that they need to be more specific, and stop misleading the public, since we already have coil overs in our cars. And go to every drag strip and hand out fliers with "You're wrong. They aren't blowers they are superchargers." Also, stand outside the DMV with fliers saying "Congrats on your new drivers license, and don't forget to call it an engine, and not a motor!"

Edited January 31 by Furry Camel
Oy, the humanity!

[jimk]

At the Indy 500, it's not "Gentlemen Start Your Motors".

[uai]

a real exception:
Usually german is more complicated and needs more words to be precise 
but Federbein= Strut with coilover
and Gewindefederbein= Strut with coilover and adjustable springperch 
 

[tzei]

We don’t even have such words! 😂

[Cabbage Fumes]

3 hours ago, uai said:

Gewindefederbein

If I told you that you had a nice gewindefederbein, would you hold it against me?

[BarrettN]

On 1/29/2024 at 7:49 PM, Son of Marty said:

There were 3 grades made, the green dot (street) with 1.5' camber and stock height spring perches, the yellow dot (rally) 2' camber and lowered spring perches, I've run a set of these on my 74 since 1976, and the red dot (race) in both 2,5' and 3' some of these with lowered stock spring perches and some were adjustable. All 3 have a much larger shock pistons all run tii bearings and have the 3.5" caliper mounts.

Do you know if the V1 struts had negative camber built into them? Per Google translate the ad states the a negative camber kit is available on request - would that have been negative camber plates?

 

 

Edited January 31 by BarrettN

[BarrettN]

18 hours ago, Furry Camel said:

A Tii strut with outside threads, primitive adjustable full width lower perch, with "Bilstein" stamped on it is definitely period correct for '70s racing in Europe, I just don't know if it was something Bilstein produced and sold, or was produced by them and sold/used by tuners like Alpina. Were the Alpina "Works" cars using struts sourced from Bilstein? If they did, would they any Alpina stampings on the strut tubes? I'd really like to get some idea as to the origin of the struts I have, and if they are something to hold onto. I already run 3.5º using bent Tii tubes and GC plates, so I'd consider offering my vintage struts to someone more excited about having the period correct style vintage coil over setup.

 

I suspect that just because it has Bilstein stamped on it doesn't particularly mean that they are who made converted the struts to using adjustable perches - I picked up this set from a Swedish hillclimb racer, judging by the welds they were just done by some individual.

 

Barrett

 

[uai]

10 minutes ago, BarrettN said:

 

I suspect that just because it has Bilstein stamped on it doesn't particularly mean that they are who made converted the struts to using adjustable perches - I picked up this set from a Swedish hillclimb racer, judging by the welds they were just done by some individual.

 

Barrett

This isn't unmolested so probably not bilstein built rather hack mechanic on  bilstein struts
 

[Cabbage Fumes]

4 hours ago, BarrettN said:

 

I suspect that just because it has Bilstein stamped on it doesn't particularly mean that they are who made converted the struts to using adjustable perches

I would have to disagree. There is no reason for Bilstein to stamp a strut tube unless they had everything to do with it. There are no welds on the tube. The tube itself is threaded, with a aluminum perch and separate steel collar under it. It's too well done to be a random tuner of the day. Judging by the patina, they were on the car from the beginning or close to it.

Edited February 1 by Furry Camel

[M3M3]

On 1/30/2024 at 10:26 PM, Furry Camel said:

I know you want to be right, especially since you get your information from the internet, but gather a thousand passenger car owners and ask them all, "Raise your hand if you have coil overs". Unless they are enthusiasts that have added aftermarket coil overs to their cars, you will get zero hands raised. Case closed.

hilariously bad analogy.  you could ask those same passenger car owners anything about their cars besides "where do i plug my phone in?"  and you will get the same blank stares.....  case wide open.

 

so you are saying if enough people say something that is wrong, that makes it right?  

 

kinda like using the abbreviation FLCA or LCA in reference to an E30.  there is no Rear control arm.  there is no Upper control arm  there is just a control arm.   it is a CA.  the "F" and "L" are not correct.

 

or.....calling a 2002 an E10  (rim shot....)

🙂🤣

 

back back on topic.....replace the bent strut or buy suspension parts with a smaller diameter spring so the top of the strut can move closer to the strut tower.

[Cabbage Fumes]

4 hours ago, M3M3 said:

hilariously bad analogy.  you could ask those same passenger car owners anything about their cars besides "where do i plug my phone in?"  and you will get the same blank stares.....  case wide open.

 

so you are saying if enough people say something that is wrong, that makes it right?  

 

kinda like using the abbreviation FLCA or LCA in reference to an E30.  there is no Rear control arm.  there is no Upper control arm  there is just a control arm.   it is a CA.  the "F" and "L" are not correct.

 

or.....calling a 2002 an E10  (rim shot....)

🙂🤣

 

back back on topic.....replace the bent strut or buy suspension parts with a smaller diameter spring so the top of the strut can move closer to the strut tower.

Then there are douch bag posters that use negative blanket statements calling basically all automobile owners as being completely ignorant about their car. There are widely accepted meanings of things that may not be technically correct, but the majority understands its meaning. Your analogy is so desperate that it doesn’t even register. I’m embarrassed for you, in fact.