2002ti wannabe project begins

[jgerock]

Today I celebrated 39 years for Celeste ('73tii) and 43 years for Oscar ('69 2002). According to the BMW Archives, both were made on May 30. It was a low key event for a Wednesday evening with my wife snapping a quick pic of me in both cars. I am happy that Celeste didn't let me down during the trip to Vintage last weekend and returned an average of 29 mpg.

Oscar's rough appearance will someday be better. His torn headliner reminds me of some American cars I see on the highway.

I recently purchased a set of (4) Ronal wheels for Oscar. Will have to get some new tires quickly before they are NLA.

[mike472]

Happy anniversary to you and your cars Jim.

Keep em running, or shall I say flying for another 40 or 50 years (maybe not you but your heirs!)

[hanksjim1]

Good on ya Jim! Both cars should be very glad they found YOU.

[jgerock]

Now that I have (2) more cables from a parts car, I'd thought I would reinstall the pieces to see how they work.

First, I cleaned the cables with some rags and trusty Purple Power cleaner, then cleaned out the sunroof cavity.

I pulled the two rear drain tubes and noticed some unusual plastic tubing in each corner. Best I can figure is they hold the (2) long rails in place, but how do you do it if the headliner and sunroof panel are in place (you will see later)?

Cables back in along with all the pieces.

I removed the pin for the handle and discovered the "W" spring clip is missing. As posted by someone else, this clip keeps the handle in the recess.

Here is the Golde sunroof clip part number

Roof panel re-installed using the original rear hardware

Front two guides not installed yet - good shot of Nevada paint color

I thought the two guides were installed correctly until I looked at the rear. The two black plastic pipes were NOT in the rails. Will have to pull them out and try again. How in the world do you install the rails correctly after the headliner is in place? Do you install the rails first?

Another difference are the front guides. I did not install them yet since I need new nylon bushing pieces.

Here are the ones I removed from the '69

Here are the ones from the parts car I pulled the cables from (I don't know the year of it but assume it was later than my '69.

Both have plastic/nylon guides

Anyone here know when they changed the design?

[jgerock]

I just looked up the sunroof section on the Parts CD Rom. The graphic shows the "later" style front guides as

# 13 Guide # 54 121 815 185

# 14 Spacer # 54 121 815 189

This type

Not this type

I did not see a description of the changes in years of the sunroof (unless I missed it). Usually BMW has a VIN application guide in each section.

I also noticed the weird rear plastic guide tubes listed in the parts. Two tubes are connected to (1) "nub".

The pin for the handle is also not listed. Mine slips out easily.

[jgerock]

Both of my Blue book manuals have sunroof sections dated 9.70. Both show the earlier type of front guide. I was hoping to purchase replacement nylon guides that slip over the ends of the metal pieces. Most likely NLA.

I wonder which kind you get if new ones are ordered.

Still puzzled about the fitment of the (2) long side rails. The Blue book does not mention the rear plastic tubes. Maybe you fit the end piece to the rail BEFORE inserting it into the roof cavity, then the rear facing nub sticks thru the locating hole.

ANYONE??

[tjones02]

Still puzzled about the fitment of the (2) long side rails. The Blue book does not mention the rear plastic tubes. Maybe you fit the end piece to the rail BEFORE inserting it into the roof cavity, then the rear facing nub sticks thru the locating hole.

ANYONE??

Yes, bingo. Well that or mad skills.

[jgerock]

Ordered (4) Sumitomo HTR4 185-70-13 tires on-line from Tire Rack Friday afternoon ($ 55 each). They were delivered Monday afternoon - shipped from Delaware UPS Ground.

May try to get them mounted this weekend when I take my wife's car to Radial Tire in Silver Spring MD for new Michelins. I have not had good experiences at some of the local NTB Tire stores.

[jgerock]

Still puzzled about the fitment of the (2) long side rails. The Blue book does not mention the rear plastic tubes. Maybe you fit the end piece to the rail BEFORE inserting it into the roof cavity, then the rear facing nub sticks thru the locating hole.

ANYONE??

Yes, bingo

Thanks Tom. I worry that those end pieces would fall off when trying to fit the rails into the cavity. Should glue be applied?

[M3M3]

Ordered (4) Sumitomo HTR4 185-70-13 tires on-line from Tire Rack Friday afternoon ($ 55 each). They were delivered Monday afternoon - shipped from Delaware UPS Ground.

May try to get them mounted this weekend when I take my wife's car to Radial Tire in Silver Spring MD for new Michelins. I have not had good experiences at some of the local NTB Tire stores.

you can always use hollin hall automotive at the end of my street for the merc and the wheels. they are a certified tire rack installer and have full suite of high end hunter mounting equipment. i usually just have tirerack deliver direct to them.

[ray_]

What's your target completion date, Jim?

Cheers,

Ray

Ordered (4) Sumitomo HTR4 185-70-13 tires on-line from Tire Rack Friday afternoon ($ 55 each). They were delivered Monday afternoon - shipped from Delaware UPS Ground.

May try to get them mounted this weekend when I take my wife's car to Radial Tire in Silver Spring MD for new Michelins. I have not had good experiences at some of the local NTB Tire stores.

[tiitouring02]

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Hey Jim, I think you had mentioned previously that you couldnt get your hands on the 2002ti grille badge. I dont know if youve had any luck since, but i found one listed here on a 2002 specialist parts store in Germany

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http://www.bmw02.de/Emblem-s.65.0.html?&L=2&tx_tscahsel_pi1=1&cHash=d29a764b64

Good luck with the project.

Martin

[jgerock]

you can always use hollin hall automotive at the end of my street for the merc and the wheels. they are a certified tire rack installer and have full suite of high end hunter mounting equipment. i usually just have tirerack deliver direct to them.

I didn't notice they were a certified installer (Rose Hill is much closer to me). Hoping to get stick-on type weights instead of those crappy clamp-on ones for the Ronal wheels.

[jgerock]

What's your target completion date, Jim?

Not for a long time yet Ray. Still have to find someone to take on the bodywork.

[jgerock]

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Hey Jim, I think you had mentioned previously that you couldnt get your hands on the 2002ti grille badge. I dont know if youve had any luck since, but i found one listed here on a 2002 specialist parts store in Germany

Good luck with the project.

Martin

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http://www.bmw02.de/Emblem-s.65.0.html?&L=2&tx_tscahsel_pi1=1&cHash=d29a764b64

Thanks Martin. BMW (M/T) will sell them, just not to non-ti owners. No big deal. I might just leave the front grills without an emblem.