engine and drivetrain Where is your 3rd gear?

[asifallasleep]

Removed my original 4 speed transmission from my 74 2002 and replaced it with a 4 speed from a 76. My 3rd gear is now far over to the right and up similar to where 5th gear would be in an E36. This is quite a different throw from my 74 2002. Which was slightly to the right and up. I had a shifter rebuild done as well btw. Is the throw different from a 74 to a 76? Or is this a linkage alignment issue? 1st and 2nd gears are as was before. Thanks.

[hnichols]

3rd should be in line with 4th -- a simple H pattern.

[Richard]

Between 2nd and 4th. :0)

[asifallasleep]

3rd should be in line with 4th -- a simple H pattern.

It's in line with 4th. The distance is substantially farther right than before. 3 and 4 are both much farther away from 1 and 2 than they were in my removed transmission. Unless I unknowingly had a closed ratio 4 speed. When shifting from 2nd to 3rd i never shifted in a H pattern. Moreso a / from 2nd to 3rd.

[Guest Anonymous]

As others have suggested, the pattern and throw differences in [stock] 4 speed transmissions is non-existent. Search the archives and see if anyone ever complained of this issue.

What makes you so sure you started with a '74 transmission in the first place? How do you know it hadn't been previously replaced?

Symptomatic of weird throw distances and pattern - are worn or buggered bushings used to support the transmission shift platform and the shifter itself. This can also be exacerbated by sloppy motor mounts and transmission mount. Have you asked these questions of the presumptively-qualified installer? Seems like that person ought to have more accurate /better answers than faq'ers.

[asifallasleep]

3rd should be in line with 4th -- a simple H pattern.

Thanks for your reply. So clearly the H pattern i have now is correct. I'm just not used to it as my previous shifter, which i later found out, needed a rebuild.

[allbim]

As others have suggested, the pattern and throw differences in [stock] 4 speed transmissions is non-existent. Search the archives and see if anyone ever complained of this issue.

What makes you so sure you started with a '74 transmission in the first place? How do you know it hadn't been previously replaced?

Symptomatic of weird throw distances and pattern - are worn or buggered bushings used to support the transmission shift platform and the shifter itself. This can also be exacerbated by sloppy motor mounts and transmission mount. Have you asked these questions of the presumptively-qualified installer? Seems like that person ought to have more accurate /better answers than faq'ers.

"Better answers than faq'ers" really? Dream on.

You seem to think that everybody on this forum just works on these cars for a hobby.

[Guest Anonymous]

"Have you asked these questions of the presumptively-qualified installer? Seems like that person ought to have more accurate /better answers than faq'ers."

"Better answers than faq'ers" really? Dream on.

You seem to think that everybody on this forum just works on these cars for a hobby.[/b][/size]

You missed my point - entirely. If the problem is [was] bad mounts or bushings, this would be best discovered by personally examining them - which is something the installer was [is] in the best position to do or have done. No matter how good some FAQ'ers are in diagnosing a problem, sometimes, there is no substitute for actually seeing the patient in person. In this instance, the poster now indicates that there is [evidently] nothing wrong, and that he was confused as to what a "normal" shift pattern and throw should be.

Tangentially, there a lot of very well educated people who treat their hobbies just as seriously as their chosen professions. Again, the point was that the installer was in the best position to know or have personally observed the installation and the parts that were used or re-used.

[M3M3]

was the shift lever replaced also? if so, some are bent differently than others and the pattern will move accordingly.

or, the installer put the bent shift lever in backwards, which makes the whole pattern generally go up and to the right.

[eurotrash]

was the shift lever replaced also? if so, some are bent differently than others and the pattern will move accordingly.

or, the installer put the bent shift lever in backwards, which makes the whole pattern generally go up and to the right.

I was headed there as well Marshall.

[asifallasleep]

was the shift lever replaced also? if so, some are bent differently than others and the pattern will move accordingly.

or, the installer put the bent shift lever in backwards, which makes the whole pattern generally go up and to the right.

I was headed there as well Marshall.

was the shift lever replaced also? if so, some are bent differently than others and the pattern will move accordingly.

or, the installer put the bent shift lever in backwards, which makes the whole pattern generally go up and to the right.

I was headed there as well Marshall.

The shifter wasn't replaced. Shift blocks, bushings, etc were replaced. I bought a rebuild kit from Blunt. IMO the shift pattern now is similar to Porsche 915 (without 5th gear). Where the shifting is very much a precise and defined H pattern. The throws are fairly long. When i bought the car the shifter seemed fine for the first 6 months. I had no issues finding gears. The throws weren't as long as they are now tho. The car was looked at some time ago and i was told that i would need a shifter rebuild at some point and that my shifter was soup like and sloppy. It didn't feel that way to me though, it seemed fine. So i kept it as is and it eventually became looser and looser and i also developed a 2nd gear pop out. I found another transmission and had it installed as well as a shifter rebuild done.

Never having driven an 02 with a properly aligned shifter, i didn't have a comparison point. Thus i was simply asking what the throws were like for everyone.

[allbim]

"Have you asked these questions of the presumptively-qualified installer? Seems like that person ought to have more accurate /better answers than faq'ers."

"Better answers than faq'ers" really? Dream on.

You seem to think that everybody on this forum just works on these cars for a hobby.[/b][/size]

You missed my point - entirely. If the problem is [was] bad mounts or bushings, this would be best discovered by personally examining them - which is something the installer was [is] in the best position to do or have done. No matter how good some FAQ'ers are in diagnosing a problem, sometimes, there is no substitute for actually seeing the patient in person. In this instance, the poster now indicates that there is [evidently] nothing wrong, and that he was confused as to what a "normal" shift pattern and throw should be.

Tangentially, there a lot of very well educated people who treat their hobbies just as seriously as their chosen professions. Again, the point was that the installer was in the best position to know or have personally observed the installation and the parts that were used or re-used.

I did miss your point. Sorry, and thank you for elaborating.

[jgerock]

Here are some pics of the shifter positions in my 5 speed (all new bushings and mounts - not a short shifter). I cannot recall if the 3rd-4th throw was identical to my old 4 speed.

1st gear

3rd gear (almost straight)

5th gear

Reverse

[TobyB]

One thought-

the shift throws from an early transmission are longer than

the later version.

If your '76' trans is actually an early box, you'll get

a 'long throw' shift pattern...

unlikely, but easy to check- just look for the casting dates

on the trans cases.

t

[asifallasleep]

One thought-

the shift throws from an early transmission are longer than

the later version.

If your '76' trans is actually an early box, you'll get

a 'long throw' shift pattern...

unlikely, but easy to check- just look for the casting dates

on the trans cases.

t

thanks Toby. Earlier poster insisted rather bluntly and matter of factly that there were no differences in shifting in any 2002 models.