1972 bmw 2002 tobacco interior color code ?

[Flamingo 5]

Or color number ?

any help appreciated 

[esty]

i have the SEM vinyl Dye color code for saddle that was custom matched to a section of saddle vinyl...if you are changing colors or refreshing let me know, it will save you a color match charge

 

[Mike Self]

That color in 1972 is a little tricky.  There were actually two "tobacco/caramel/saddle" tan/brown colors used on 2002s.  Early cars used a vinyl that was mottled--i.e. not a consistent color when looking at a large piece--like the front seat backs or door cards.  Then in 1972 they must have changed suppliers because the color changed slightly and is a consistent color. 

 

They're kinda hard to tell apart unless seen side by side.  I know because my '69 has the mottled color and my 73 has the solid color.  The change occurred during the 1972 model year, as I've seen 72s with known original seats with either variety.   I suspect the factory was using up the earlier color seats and interiors until they ran out.

 

The later color tends to get more orange as it ages, while the earlier one gets more brown.  AFAIK the factory used the same code for both varieties, as to them it was the "same" color, paired with the same paint colors.

 

mike

[Flamingo 5]

I have a company in Moldova that wants to manufacture seats and door cards

they need color code for 1972 

[slowbert]

This might be the “other” color from my 72:  

 

 

[Conserv]

5 hours ago, Mike Self said:

 

That color in 1972 is a little tricky.  There were actually two "tobacco/caramel/saddle" tan/brown colors used on 2002s.  Early cars used a vinyl that was mottled--i.e. not a consistent color when looking at a large piece--like the front seat backs or door cards.  Then in 1972 they must have changed suppliers because the color changed slightly and is a consistent color…

 

 

And precisely to your point, Mike, the brown all-vinyl ‘02 interior as of the June 1971 Farb- und Polster-kombinationem brochure was K 16/15, where “K” abbreviated Kunstleder (vinyl), “16” was the color code for the molded or perforated vinyl, and “15” was the color code for the smooth vinyl.

 

By October 1972 — sorry, I’ve nothing between June 1971 and October 1972 —  the brown all-vinyl was K 14/20, where “14” was the color code for the molded or perforated vinyl, and “20” was the color code for the smooth vinyl.

 

I do believe the color change accompanied the change in the style of heat-seams, from faux stitching to no evidence of stitching. And that change probably happened around December 1971.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

 

[Conserv]

And, thanks to @d.hitchcock’s sharing of a link to BMW Group Archives, I can confirm that the January 1972 Farb- und Polster-kombinationem brochure shows that BMW had moved onto the later K 14/20 all-vinyl interior by January 1972.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

[Mike Self]

2 hours ago, Conserv said:

And, thanks to @d.hitchcock’s sharing of a link to BMW Group Archives, I can confirm that the January 1972 Farb- und Polster-kombinationem brochure shows that BMW had moved onto the later K 14/20 all-vinyl interior by January 1972.

But ya never know with BMW...I remember seeing a very original US spec 2002tii--so a '72--with the early K16/15 vinyl and chrome seat recliners...and...it was painted Nevada!  Ya gotta wonder...  I wasn't able to see the VIN plate, but it has to be a very early car, assembled shortly after the 1972 model year commenced in September 1971.

 

mike

[Dave919]

With a car built in August '71 it's always fascinating to me to read about the differences in the builds as they wrapped up 71 production and moved into 72 (mine is titled as a 72).  When I am back from overseas I'll have to look at my interior closely to see which it more closely resembles.

[Conserv]

1 hour ago, Dave919 said:

With a car built in August '71 it's always fascinating to me to read about the differences in the builds as they wrapped up 71 production and moved into 72 (mine is titled as a 72).  When I am back from overseas I'll have to look at my interior closely to see which it more closely resembles.

An August 1971 car (whether it was a 1971 model manufactured, say, August 1st or a 1972 model manufactured, say, August 31) will have originally had the early style and color of vinyl. The switchover in style and color occurred a few months into the 1972 model year, probably December 1971. Round taillight seats, unless they’ve been recovered or substantially rebuilt, will have dated manufacturer’s inspection cards in the backrest.

 

BMW parts changeovers often did not adhere to model year changeovers (generally around September 1). Many changes occurred mid-year, often in January.

 

The photo below shows the dated inspection card of a right front seat manufactured on June 20, 1972 (“20.  6.  72”). It was originally installed in VIN 2762204, a 1972 tii manufactured July 10, 1972.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

[Flamingo 5]

Perhaps this will help you identify what the color code for my interior is

[Conserv]

9 hours ago, West Palm 2002 said:

Perhaps this will help you identify what the color code for my interior is

With a manufacturing date of June 3, 1972 (“3. Juni 1972”), a brown seat should be the later K 14/20. Again, 14 is the number for the perforated vinyl and 20 is the number for the smooth vinyl.

 

(Naue was the manufacturer of the gummihaar, obviously here for the rear seat [Hintersitz].)

 

As a check that you have the later round taillight vinyl, the heat seams in the perforated vinyl should look like the first photo below and not like the second photo.

 

I wonder, nonetheless, what these 1972 color codes will mean today. You can obviously go to an automotive paint store and they’ll have a formula for BMW Sahara 006 exterior paint. But is there a vinyl dealer that can translate BMW smooth vinyl 20 into new vinyl?

 

If that is not possible, you could simply choose a slightly lighter near-match and then dye the panels to the perfect shade.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

[Flamingo 5]

8 hours ago, Conserv said:

With a manufacturing date of June 3, 1972 (“3. Juni 1972”), a brown seat should be the later K 14/20. Again, 14 is the number for the perforated vinyl and 20 is the number for the smooth vinyl.

 

(Naue was the manufacturer of the gummihaar, obviously here for the rear seat (Hintersitz).)

 

As a check that you have the later round taillight vinyl, the heat seams in the perforated vinyl should look like the first photo below and not like the second photo.

 

I wonder, nonetheless, what these 1972 color codes will mean today. You can obviously go to an automotive paint store and they’ll have a formula for BMW Sahara 006 exterior paint. But is there a vinyl dealer that can translate BMW smooth vinyl 20 into new vinyl?

 

If that is not possible, you could simply choose a slightly lighter near-match and then dye the panels to the perfect shade.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

This is about helping a shop located in Moldova obtain the exact color to reproduce door cards

[Conserv]

15 minutes ago, West Palm 2002 said:

This is about helping a shop located in Moldova obtain the exact color to reproduce door cards

Exactly! That might be a big challenge. And I’m not certain a BMW vinyl color code from 1972 can provide the help a shop in Moldova (or the U.S., for that matter) needs.

 

My sense of both the “Tobacco” (1968-1971) and “Saddle” (1971-1973) vinyls is that members of this forum have been unable to find good modern matches for either color. If that is simply my misunderstanding, perhaps members can jump in with what vinyl they’ve found and where they’ve sourced it.
 

Regards,

 

Steve