RoyW's custom S14 2002 on BaT

[Driv3r]

 

I believe that Andrew's point in mentioning Chris's tenure here on the FAQ was to respond to Driv3r's "PS Welcome to the Forum," which read as a rather disingenuous and condescending expression of "you're clearly an FAQ rookie who doesn't know what he's talking about." If that's not what he intended, than apologies in advance...but it certainly came off that way and I know I'm not the only one who thought so.

 

It seems rather inelegant and not very intelligent to say things like "I have built a better car" and "many members here own better cars." Inelegant because we're talking about something that represents the fruit of people's (people with feelings) love, creativity and labor; not very intelligent because "better" is such a highly subjective term, not by any means a black & white absolute, anymore than it is with a painting, a bottle of wine or architecture.  I am lucky enough to own two 2002s, one being a bone-stock '72 tii and the other being a highly custom, '73 M2 2.5 tii.  While I personally feel they're both "top 10%" cars, I would never dream of saying that either one was "better" that anyone else's baby because, well that's just not very classy or nice and I wouldn't want to come off like a churlish vulgarian.

 

It seems odd to conclude that a car is somehow not special because certain of its features (brakes, wheels, diff, interior, Getrag, S14, etc) "have been done before."  I say this because the magic of that Inka M2 is not just in some of its parts...it's in the sum of its parts, which were artfully interpreted, assembled and expressed in an absolutely unique and impeccably executed manner. The result is undeniable magic, even if one doesn't like some of its creative choices (those speaker pods!).

 

COOP

 

Coop, you're over reading my comments. I tried to use brackets "()" to explain certain words so people wont jump out of conclusions but it didn't work (not being condescending here!) because I may not have been clear enough on the fact that by saying "better", I refer to it's ROI (Return On Investment) and NOT to "someone else's baby" as you put it! 

 

So I hope I've been clear about what the word "better" meant in this case. Lets have a beer next time I'm in LA. [emoji5]

 

Edited June 15, 2017 by Driv3r

[Driv3r]

3 hours ago, ChristopherL said:

Gents,

 

I've been around for a long time. I just don't post.

I saw what I believe is COOP's car before it ever left Vermont. (Apologies, COOP, if I'm confusing my M2's)

I saw Gary Bosserts old Agave Green M2, painted in Laquer, when it was an early M2 conversion.

I remember Ian's "ground breaking" M2 conversion, when almost nobody had done it. Dial Up internet days...

I still have the magazine article from the black "Der Hocken" 2002 (Black '74 with Zender airdam and the namesake - red tow hook), which was not an M2, but pre-dates this forum.

I was here when "Bluntech" got its start when Blunt was building his orange M2, and started selling chrome trim and gaskets because he found a niche of '02 guys who couldn't find the right parts.

Simple point being, lack of posts does not indicate time or exposure, all the time.

 

We built Roy's car over 10 years ago. Many of the amazing performance parts we all are accustomed to now, were not available or even on-market at that time. Time has moved on, I would certainly hope, in the past 10 years, that another build of equivalent/better quality would occur (If not, then we'd really be in trouble for the future of this hobby/passion), and would utilize what is new and progressive.  That doesn't take away from what the car is.

 

I'm not here to say it's the best, worst, better, or otherwise. My mother taught me better manners than that. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I respect all of them.

I may not agree, but I'm not here to cut down others hard work. 

 

Driv3r - I'm not familiar with your car, but would love to see a build log if you have one. It's always awesome to see others paths and custom touches. It sounds like you're really investing your heart in the build!

evil02 - I don't need to wait for the "work to come" -  "The work" has long ago, already arrived. There is a wait list, and it continues to grow, which is the only frustrating fact. These are peoples passion, and "waiting" is the hardest part.

 

At the end of the day, the sale is done. We can Monday Morning quarter back it all day, but it doesn't change a thing.

We are all here for, theoretically, the same thing... a passion for an old boxy BMW.

 

Now, I'll go back in my corner and play with my project Alpina flared track car. Maybe one day I'll be able to show it off, and Marshall will give me a thumbs of for flogging the pants off it instead of using Zymol. Of course, that will have to happen in the pits, as it will only have an M10, no S14, so he'll be too fast...

 

Kind Regards,

-Chris

 

 

 

Chris, I welcomed you because your profile name doesn't show your personal history so I went with number of post to this forum. Had I welcomed you at the start of my comments, this misunderstanding with Coop and then you wouldn't have happened. I had a look and Coop was right, it did come as somewhat condescending and I apologise to you as my welcome was sincere. 

 

I dont have a better car than what you've built for Roy. By better, I was referring to cost vs insurable asset value and not the actual work done to the car. I never meant to devalue shop owner's effort and their business and here with I confirm that outsourcing project cars to shop owners specialised in such business is in fact the smartest way to go.

 

Moving forward, I believe the S14 engine is over priced for what it can deliver but doesn't mean the S14 engine is not good enough. I bought my own newly built for track S14 engine for $8k last year and the prices doubled since. Not because the S14 engine became twice faster or better, its just because most people think swapping with S14 is the best option for 02s and therefore demand has gone up bumping the price of S14 engine. This is the point I was trying to make. Kudos to you for doing that project 10 years ago and you're totally right, that would've been a killer project at the time. 

 

 

Cheers.

 

 

[bobthomas]

I have a '76 2.5 M2.  It's nice, not nearly as nice a Roy's car.  The price Roy's car sold for is making me consider putting mine on the market. I'm also retiring & should thin the herd. Congratulations Roy for getting such a good price for your car.

[theWorstTerry]

it's worth mentioning that car's own history of being featured in magazines and winning awards and everything, i'm sure, probably had at least little to do with the price it sold for. i don't imagine a similar build that no one's ever seen before fetching the same amount, but who knows?

[RoyW]

My thanks to all for the many nice compliments on my "former" car. And, if it wasn't your "cup-of-tea", well, that's OK too!   Follow your dream... I did with mine

 

That car will be missed, as it has been a big part of my BMW life for the past 13 years... the memories will fortunately linger. If you see me at an event in the future, please say 'hello' and we can share some stories

 

-RoyW