02Anders

30 years of ownership creates a rather special bond...  ?

Well, for what ever it's worth, I know this car quite well.
As the owner has already said, it's not concours.  However, it does present very well, has the rare Lux package and is in very good mechanical condition.  Ready to use and enjoy...
As for the steering wheel - matter of opinion I suppose, but I drive a RHD classic here in Denmark (which is a LHD country) and it doesn't bother me the slightest.  Also consider that it's a whole lot cheaper than a certain other Golf Gelb tii which just sold on an online auction site...  ?

On 7/27/2021 at 11:30 AM, SydneyTii said:

Lovely steering wheel Anders!

Thx mate. ?

A rare wood-rimmed Petri as was optional on the 1600ti and 2002ti.

I was lucky to purchase this many years ago and paid very little for it.  Had it restored a few years back and love it to bits. I feel it brings some warmth and elegance into the otherwise rather sober and teutonic 02 cabin…

6 hours ago, NYTransplant said:

Took Fritz for a drive to celebrate his 49th birthday ?

 

 

HAPPY B-DAY!!  ?

Whooooaar... it's been way too long since I shared a pic in here, so here we go: a few recent ones from local drives this summer...

4 hours ago, lewisfoto said:

Ha I guess I posted in the wrong place. One more time!!

 

Glamour shots from the last couple of days.

Truly gorgeous!  Proof that a SRL with US bumpers can indeed look great...  

11 minutes ago, 1936spyder said:

Certainly! You saw my posts on IG of some other particularly tremendous cars there but I elected to not share them here as they weren’t BMWs…

Yup, great pics both on IG and here...  ?

Thx @halboyles for sharing the latest BMW Classic video.  ?
Needless to say, I'm well and truly thrilled with my beloved little NullZwei having a supporting role in the this video.  So proud of her...  ?

@SydneyTii, despite having more than 20 sets of period 13" alloys stashed away, it's always the FPS I keep coming back to.  They're just so right!  

@resra, that's precisely how I've felt for the past 29 years with my little red 02...  ?

Lots and lots of eyecandy there!  Thx for sharing.
That 315/1 is just beyond fantastic!  The 507 is pretty special too.
I see Lisa was there with her Derby - for a second I thought it might have been my old '66... ?
The Ceylon til is certainly lovely too.

4 hours ago, maharaja said:

Certainly a charming piece. With much history and a trail of ownership. And there in lies the dilemma with it. Stock 1.6, 6v, early brakes , etc means the driving dynamics are...charming

Far too nice to modify and really use. Probably best suited for display in a collection , occasional lawn events ,cleaning and cataloging minutiae.  Different strokes

Hoping to not to rain on anyone’s parade

Sorry, but you've totally missed the point.
I owned this hugely original '66 for four years.  In that time, I took here on three major roadtrips - the biggest of which covered more than 2300 miles in a week.  I would also regularly take her out for a weekend blast down a twisty backroad in the Peak District.  The car was 1) hugely reliable and 2) hugely entertaining.  The small 1.6-litre is actually more rev happy than a stock 2-litre.  The car is also lighter than later 02s.  The brakes easily modulated and very direct.  The suspension forgiving and communicative.  Obviously, you're not going to be winning races in a stock 1600-2, but it was always a blast to drive and it delivered smiles per mile like any other 02.  I've always been the guy who drives and uses his classic cars on every given occasion, and frankly, I'd always choose another stock 1600-2 over some frankenstein 02 with big power and zero suspension travel...

But each to their own of course...  ?

2 hours ago, Lorin said:

There are people that still daily drive older vehicles even though you don’t. 
 

As far as stock 1600 being a “charming” drive, I daily drive an original 1962 International Scout and that original 1600 may as well be a space ship compared my Scout’s driving experience. 

Good man...  ?

11 hours ago, Shawn Piper said:

What are these black caps on the trunk hinge? I've never seen these before. Also the pinch weld is really different... not 2 segments like on the 02s

 

Shawn, early 02s had different hinges for the bootlid.  So it's not just the plastic caps, but the entire hinge.  This isn't just a '66 thing though.  Can't quite recall how long it was like this, but certainly into '68 - maybe even '69.  I'm sure Steve, , Mike, Slavs or one of the other pro's will correct me here...  ?

17 hours ago, Conserv said:

Holy sh*t, Anders! That must have blown away all records for 1600-2’s, excepting, perhaps, 1600ti’s...

 

Finally, old ‘02’s are getting the traction they deserve.

 

Your comments and knowledge, no doubt, really helped it along!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

Thx Steve.  These early cars deserve way more credit than they get.  And I genuinely don't understand why that is?
Try rocking up at a Porsche meet in a first-year swb 911 and the entire place will grind to a halt as everybody drools uncontrollably.  How about a flat-floor E-type at a Jaguar meet - that's right, same story.  And then try a '66 BMW 1600-2 at a BMW meet, and the vast majority will simply moan about it not having fuel injection, limited-slip diff, coil-overs and the biggest arb's on the northern hemisphere.  REALLY...??  ?
Anyway, I'm thoroughly pleased that there seems to be a slow shift in attitude and appreciation of these early 02s.  The price AMY achieved in this auction is proof.  But there is still more work to be done...  ?

@MikeD - There's a thread going here: https://www.bmw2002faq.com/forums/topic/279541-worlds-best-preserved-66-now-on-bat/

51 minutes ago, jscaptura1 said:

I think the buyer got a pretty good deal.  If I had the $ to be bidding that high, I certainly would have gone higher.  Just my opinion.

Wish I could have been bidding rather than just providing the commentary... ?

51 minutes ago, radiocure said:

Gave it best shot...

You did well.  Sorry you didn't land it...

Whooooaar...  that was exciting!!  Sold for $ 53,500
Surely, a new record for non til/turbo 02s...??

@Slavs - Thx for your flattering words.  I did indeed go to great lengths in order to preserve this early 1600-2 as best possible.  But of course it's always a balance.

You are entirely correct about the upholstery being original.  Amazingly, the cloth, vinyl and padding of the seats are all factory original - that's a full 55 years old!  Yet it's flawless...  The early Perlon carpets are also factory original.
And yes, I put two new engine mounts on the 1600-2 as I wanted to be able to drive it.  And yes, I opted for the new style of engine mounts.  I did however place the two old engine mounts in the boot before handing over the car to the next owner.  So the original and correct engine mounts (albeit in a rather tired state) should still be with the car... ?

I must say, you've done really, really well on this one.  The resurrection came out a treat... ?

6 hours ago, jscaptura1 said:

Anders, that is exactly how I feel about my 1600.  That was the first car I ever bought.  It has been rebuilt twice and most of the sheet metal from the bottom to about halfway up the car has been replaced.  After 36 years of ownership, it is still the vehicle that I value most, and always will for the same reasons you have expressed.  There is not much left on it that is original, that's I why I feel your old 1600 is so special, and in my opinion, worth every bit as much as a tii.  Looking through those pictures takes me back to when I was 18 when I bought the 1600 and how original and unmolested the car was (other than the rust) and all of the changes that were made to it over the years.  It will be very interesting to see the action on it tomorrow at the end of the auction.

As exciting as it is buying a 'new' classic car, nothing beats owning one for decades.  It becomes an unbreakable bond based on mutual drives, memories and experiences...

Oh, and trust you me!  - I too will be watching as the auction on my old '66 comes to an end...

20 hours ago, Conserv said:

My only enduring criticism of my own ‘67 1600-2’s 6-volt electricals was the first start of the day when outside temperatures dropped to the low 20’s (Fahrenheit). I lived in Pennsylvania, where that happened regularly — at least it did fifty years ago. If I didn’t have the car on a battery charger overnight, there was going to be a problem. A block heater — and even battery warmers — was another way owners dealt with this issue.

But I’m especially excited about that block casting date. Is it “12E66”, May 12, 1966?

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

HaHaHa... you can always trust Steve to catch such a detail...  ?

But you are of course entirely right.  12th May 1966 for the engine block.  Interestingly, it would be more than three months before the car was produced...

On 3/15/2021 at 10:12 PM, bavariaboy said:

There are no words. Well, a few. This is a treasure.  I would repeat my journey of 49 years ago in this car. From Philadelphia across the Mackinac Straits, cruise Trans Canada 1 at 85-90 mph to Vancouver, down the Coast Road to LA, back through the southwest and home.  A glorious two month road trip.

 

Never hiccupped. $3,000 off the showroom floor. Not even a radio. We were lucky Mad Max didn't charge for doors. 

 

This is a real M10

 

Steve

Steve, the fascinating thing is, when this car was 50 years old, I also did quite a few roadtrips in her.  First from Northern Sweden to Denmark.  Next major trip was from Denmark to the UK.  And finally, there was our participation in the Bavaria Tour 2016 where I added more than 2300 miles in a week.  Much like your experience, this simplest of little 02s just soldiered on and made every covered mile a pure pleasure.  What a car!!  ?

On 3/16/2021 at 12:02 AM, Mike Self said:

Very cool--and original--car.  Thanks to Anders for so obsessively keeping it original--when the easy thing would have been to use "close but not exact" parts.  

 

I've often wondered what ever  became of the earliest 16oo I've ever seen, 1500510.  It belonged to a guy int he LA area, who owned several early 02s, including 1760009.  This was back around 1987-88; perhaps someone on the board knows of the cars.  

 

Hopefully the new owner of Anders' car will take as meticulous care of it as he has.

 

mike

Thx Mike!  That genuinely means a lot coming from you... ?

On 3/16/2021 at 2:46 AM, spuriouspseudo said:

Is this a block heater?

 

Quite a common aftermarket addition in northern Sweden and Norway.  It's obviously not OEM, but I figured it had been installed in the car for the vast majority of the cars life, so I decided it needed to stay as it's of course become part of the cars history and identity.  

22 hours ago, SydneyTii said:

I enjoy my Tii but I certainly don’t think they are any better than other 02’s, they all have their great points, and this beauty most definitely has more than a few, an absolute credit to dedication!

Also if I’m not wrong Anders Red car is a thing of beauty as well!

Thx buddy! ?
Just for the record, my Verona red 2002 is nowhere near as unmolested, unique and historically important as the Derby grey 1600-2 is.  But having owned the 2002 for all of 29 years and with it being the first car I ever bought, there's a massive affectionate value to me which no other car will ever be able to match.  But from a collector's point of view, the 1600-2 is in a very different league...

2 hours ago, tjones02 said:

Wow Anders! That’d certainly be an awesome one to add to any BMW collection. Even though my own ‘66 needs some big wrinkles removed, I may still keep it until I can afford to make it whole again, especially if your old car sells for big money!

Well, if the sale of this one can justify the resurrection of your '66, then that's surely a win-win...

40 minutes ago, jscaptura1 said:

I think so!  But I am a 1600 fan/owner myself & feel they are as collectible as 2002's.  Even more so because there were far fewer made and imported to the US.  I would really like to know how many are actually left and still on the road.  It will be very interesting to see where this ends up and I will be watching with great interest.  Thanks for posting.  I don't watch BAT that often and would not have seen it come up.

To be honest, where I used to frequent the good old BaT quite regularly, I don't really bother with the current BaT.  It traded its charm and integrity for $$$$...
But when your old car pops up on BaT, I guess it's only natural to take notice...

9 minutes ago, Conserv said:

It’s still gorgeous, Anders!

 

The car is so amazing that I believe anyone who buys it, at any price, will respect it’s integrity.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

I hope you're right Steve...  

Well, it appears my old Derby grey '66 BMW 1600-2 is looking for a new owner again...

I'm sure you guys have already seen it, but here's the link nonetheless: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-bmw-1600-2/

I still absolutely adore this little sweetheart!  Probably the car I most regret selling, and if there was anyway I could possibly buy it back...  I would!
Sadly, that's not going to happen right now.
Will be interesting to see where the bidding goes.  And not least, who the next owner becomes.
Of course, there are still plenty of people who will only ever consider a 2002tii.  If it doesn't have Kugelfischer, it's barely worth looking at.  I clearly don't subscribe to that line of thought, but what do you guys think?  Is this 1600-2 worth tii money or not?  And why?

Gents, once again thank you for all your input.  ?

I'll try to answer the various questions - pardon if I miss one or two...

- Yes, I primed the 1 bbl Solex straight into the barrel.
- Yes, I did replace the lid on the air filter house before turning the ignition key.
- Yes, the vent pipe between valve cover and air filter house is entirely clear.  Admitted, I did not think of checking this before I turned the engine, but I checked afterwards and there's no restriction here.

- The oil filler cap which made a break for freedom only to be held back by the garage ceiling, now doesn't have the required tension to seal properly.  The two tabs are slightly bent.

- Much as I'm always very careful when priming the carb like this, in hindsight, there's probably no point in denying that on this occasion, I clearly overprimed...  ?
- That said, I'm still hugely surprised about the result!

Moving forward, I sadly won't have time to do anything about it during the week.
But hopefully next weekend, I'll treat her to an oil change and drop by my lock-up and fish out another oil filler cap.
At the very least, I'll at least check all four spark plugs.  Then I guess I'll try cranking her over again.

And @Mike Self thx for the tip on priming straight into the float chamber.  Top Tip...  ?
I'll definitely use this method from now on...