Found Lug Nuts For Ronal Kleeblatt Wheels

[jgerock]

Found a set locally. Thanks.

 

I have a set of 13 x 5.5" Ronals that seem to take a different style of lug nuts (not the tapered or acorn ones but most likely shank (or "mag") type).

Wheels will mount on standard 4-bolt 2002 hubs. Would appreciate any leads to a new set if possible.

Location is Alexandria,VA

Edited June 23, 2013 by jgerock

[esty]

you need the mag type lug nuts with a washer...they are available at autozone in 4 packs in the correct thread and pitch for the 02

[Conserv]

you need the mag type lug nuts with a washer...they are available at autozone in 4 packs in the correct thread and pitch for the 02

I'm perhaps in the same boat with Jim. And he has mentioned these "washer-style" lug nuts as a solution. My one concern with this solution, however, is that the lug nut holes are tight to the raised center hub: there might not be a sufficiently wide shoulder for the washers to rest on flatly. Given the reasonable price of these nuts, of course, it's certainly worth a try. My other concern is that my Ronal's -- and they may, indeed, be different from Jim's in this regards -- have a shallow, steeply-sloped steel insert at each hole, which suggests the original Ronal nuts may have been conical and then cylindrical (the above solution is strictly cylindrical).

So I'm thinking along the following lines:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121088575877?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

It is possible, of course, that someone, using the wrong lug nuts, may have "created" the steeply-sloping walls of my inserts. Jim, are the interiors of your inserts strictly cylindrical?

Anyone out there with Ronal rims and the original lug nuts?

Below is a close-up photo of one of my rims. The inset steel inserts are probably 1/4" deep; they do not run through the rim.

Steve

Edited June 15, 2013 by Conserv

[jgerock]

Thanks to Esty and Steve for the quick responses.   I just edited my WTB but it does not appear to show the new content:

 

M12 x 1.5 thread (stock for 2002).

 

The wheel lug openings measure 18mm I.D. x 19.5mm thick (wheel hub thickness) with a 25mm diameter step in the front face.

 

Because my wheels were powdercoated by a PO, I cannot tell if there is a steel sleeve for the bores.

[GoFaSSter]

Is it possible the tapered portion is there to help get the lugs into position when putting things together. This would give a lead in that would facilitate getting the lugs and rim aligned. You really would not want to over constrain with a taper and a diameter.

Edited June 15, 2013 by GoFaSSter

[Conserv]

Is it possible the tapered portion is there to help get the lugs into position when putting things together. This would give a lead in that would facilitate getting the lugs and rim aligned. You really would not want to over constrain with a taper and a diameter.

Yes, that's entirely reasonable. And I could well be over-analyzing the situation, but it still leaves me pondering the reason behind these steel (lug nut hole) inserts in the first place. Steel inserts on an alloy rim suggest to me a location of concentrated pressure or stress and only a conical taper (at that point) would seem to apply such pressure to the insert itself. (Bear in mind I am neither an engineer nor a physics professor: I'm mostly imagining how I'd feel if I were a steel insert on an alloy rim!)

Thanks for your help on this.

Regards,

Steve

[Conserv]

Because my wheels were powdercoated by a PO, I cannot tell if there is a steel sleeve for the bores.

Jim,

My rims, as you can see, are relatively un-encumbered by cosmetic niceties, such as paint or powdercoating! Thus, I can view the steel inserts distinctly on the rim's face. And if I stick my pinkie in a lug hole, I can feel the inner lip of the steel insert, which is only a 1/4" deep: the insert is more akin to a valve seat than a traditional sleeve, which I picture running the full depth of the lug hole. 25mm appears to be the outside diameter of my rims' inserts, and they are slightly inset.

I'm aching to see a third set of Ronal R2s, i.e., a set beyond our sets, up close and dismounted, to see if my steel inserts are an anomaly. Could they represent a repair? As I like to say, a lot can happen over 40 years!

Clueless in Atlanta,

Steve

Edited June 15, 2013 by Conserv

[jgerock]

I picked up a 4-pack of Dorman brand mag wheel bolts # 711 308 at the local Auto Zone for $ 11.78.  They seem to fit. I may look for a shorter shank length.

 

Internal thread depth: 41.5mm

Shank length: 18mm

Shank diameter: 17mm

Washer O.D.: 26.73 mm

Washer I.D. 17.8mm

 

Will look for a better brand later

[Conserv]

They look great, Jim! Thanks for circling back.

Regards,

Steve