2002/1600 parts

[Toddo]

Price: $800

Location: 1970 2002 engine, my dad says he rebuilt this motor with mahle pistons, a new cam and valves, he thinks it was 10:1 possibly 10.5:1. these are from a 1600 unknown year: 1600 engine, 4 speed transmission, gas tank, trunk lid. These were under his house in a dry environment, my father says he bought these in approximately 1987 with a 1600, the engines and trans as a project that he never got to. I remember him having a shell of a car in the garage in the late 80s. I m in Columbus, OH. I can take other for you.

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[slowpoke]

Hey, can you take pics of marking on the various items?  Block, heads; marking on tranny’s.  It’ll help you sell them as folks will know better what you’ve got...  there’s lots of variants out there.  I’m asking cuz’ i might be interested.  ;)

 

[ingramlee]

Pm sent 

[Conserv]

2 hours ago, slowpoke said:

Hey, can you take pics of marking on the various items?  Block, heads; marking on tranny’s.  It’ll help you sell them as folks will know better what you’ve got...  there’s lots of variants out there.  I’m asking cuz’ i might be interested.

 

 

The 2.0-liter engine appears to have a type 121 head, cast in September 1969 (9 nubs surrounding “69”). Both are consistent with a head for an early 1970 model. The block accompanying it will have both an engine number (7 digits on the flat boss at the rear of the left side of the block, just above the starter nose) and a casting date (on the right side of the block, in the vicinity of the number 1 and 2 freeze plugs).

 

The 1.6-liter engine will have analogous markings. The head, however, is likely a type 118.

 

The transmission will have a casting date for the housing. It’s inside the bell housing, right where the starter nose inserts into the bell housing.

 

Below, as illustrations: engine number 2742541 (my ‘76), a block cast October 31, 1973, and a transmission housing cast April 1968.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2019 by Conserv

[Toddo]

The one I think is the 1600 has 118 on the left side.   This one is missing the oil pan.  Two of 68 so it probably is not a 1600. 

The alleged bored and rebuild is a 121.

The trans has 225 stamped on it.  

[Toddo]

More photos later ones are the 70 121. 

[ray_]

Take a pic of the boss above where the starter mounts -- it's a machined surface with a 7 digit number.

 

Cheers,

[Toddo]

More photos.  1563721 on 118.  1672245 on 121.  Date of casting on trans looks like 69 2/3. 

[ray_]

Those are a '68 1600 and a '70 2002 motors, respectively.

 

Cheers,

[Toddo]

Thanks for your help,  truely appreciate! 

[Conserv]

Summing up:

 

VIN/engine number 1672245 was originally in a U.S. 1970 model 2002, a car likely manufactured February 1970. The block was cast January 7, 1970 (“7A70” in an oval frame). The 121 head was cast October 1969 (10 nubs surrounding “69”) and could be original to the engine.

 

VIN/engine number 1563721 was originally in a U.S. 1968 model 1600-2, a car manufactured in approximately March 1968. The block appears to have been cast in 1968 (“???68”), but the photo (below) is not sufficiently clear to read the month and day. The 118 head was cast February 1968 (2 nubs surrounding “68”) and is likely original to the engine.

 

The transmission’s housing was cast March 1969 (three nubs surrounding “69”) and is, thus, a 235 4-speed unit, with Porsche synchronizers.

 

The first question many prospective buyers will ask regarding an engine that has been sitting for thirty years — certainly with open intake and exhaust ports and, possibly, without oil — is likely, “Does the crankshaft turn?” Regardless of the answer to that question, I would recommend you remain flexible as to the pricing of these units....

 

GLWS,

 

Steve

 

Edited January 20, 2019 by Conserv

[Toddo]

Thank you!