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Evidently, there's a computer in it made up to look like a 2002 turbo. If anyone here happens to have a copy (or knows a computer geek who might) I'd like to borrow it to scan the article. Thanks.

I'm in New York, though my car is in California right now. Where are you located?

did you take that photo? do you have any others? thanks

I'm told that slogan was used as a headline for a 3.0 coupe ad around 1970, i.e. during the Max Hoffman era, way before BMW NA's agency adopted the slogan as a tagline for the whole brand in 1975. Can't find one on ebay, but if anyone's ever seen this, got a copy of one, or has a stash of old car mags they'd want to peruse (it also may have appeared in Time or Sports Illustrated), I'd love to get my hands on one asap. Thanks, Rich

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rob@2002haus.com bounces back. anyone have another email address for him?

adam, please contact me off-list. i may have some car lineage info for you... frompus AT gmail DOT COM or 917-208-1188. thanks.

Please contact me. I'd like to talk to you about using those in the 02 movie. thanks frompus AT gmail DOT COM

From today's Wall Street Journal "Me & My Car" column, which is authored by a former 02 owner. "Q: I've always heard it pronounced "Beemer" and you're the only person I know who spells it "Bimmer." -- Mike Grandin, San Francisco A: When I became familiar with BMW vehicles in the 1970s, people who rode BMW motorcycles (my father included) called their machines Beemers while BMW drivers called their cars Bimmers. It was a way of telling people whether you were a car or motorcycle person. Today "Beemer" has come to represent any BMW for certain people in general conversation. But longtime BMW drivers and riders still prefer to differentiate. And many view interchanging the words as an error worthy of serious chiding." Personally, I think "beemer," while apparently incorrect, just sounds cooler, and "bimmer" conjures up images of non-02-owning jackasses. A link to the following page from the Boston CCA newsletter was then embedded in the item: "Bimmer vs. Beemer updated June 2003 It has come up time and again in the BMW CCA Roundel and all over the planet. We gotta keep covering this issue till the world gets straightened out. It's a simple, painless lesson. Learn now and avoid embarrassing yourself in front of other car enthusiasts. It its history, BMW has made cars, motorcycles, and aircraft engines. There is no confusion surrounding the aircraft engines, so lets move on to the cars. This is a BIMMER. I don't have to tell you that this 2004 M Coupe features FOUR wheels. (Photo coutresy BMW NA) Bimmer BMW cars are called Bimmers. Say BIM-mer. If you are a New England native or want to sound like one, say BIM-mah. That's what this club is about, BMW cars. Bimmers. Bimmer is also is the official name of the Newsletter of the Boston Chapter. It has been published continuously since 1970. From sometime in the 1990s to March 2000 the newsletter was called BIMMER (all uppercase). Justin Hughes, the current Editor in Chief changed the name back to Bimmer. Then Suzin Koehler became the Editor and changed the name to Boston Bimmer. Bimmer Magazine is based in California and has nothing to do with the Boston Chapter, even though it is a very nice magazine. But wait, here's the important part. This is a BEEMER. BMW Motorcycles have two wheels. (photo courtesy BMW Motorcycles USA) Beemer or Beamer BMW motorcycles are called one thing but it is spelled two ways. Beemers or Beamers, you just say BEAM-er. Or maybe BEAM-uh. This is very simple. Motorcycles have two wheels. Beemers have two wheels. In that photo to the right, how many wheels do you see? Two wheels? It's a Beemer. There is no Grey Area Now some smart guy in the audience always says "What about a motorcycle with a sidecar?" The sidecar has one wheel. The motorcycle still has two wheels. It's a motorcycle with a sidecar. What about some guy on a motorcycle pulling a trailer? Same thing: motorcycle has two wheels, trailer has one wheel. Just like a car pulling a trailer. The car still has four wheels, and the trailer has some non-zero number of wheels. Mini and Rolls Royce Now some new Mini owners have gone around saying that they own a "Bimmer". This is probably because the Boston Chapter lets the Minis run in the BMW autocross classes. (So far, nobody has wanted to autocross their Rolls-Royce. I wonder if a Rover produced in the BMW Group rules would be allowed into the BMW classes?) A MINI is not a BMW. Look at the hood. Is the spinning blue-and-white propeller there? No sir. It isn't a Bimmer, Beemer, or Beamer. But it is made by BMW, so lots of people consider it a BMW. But it's still a MINI. This is an Isetta. It was a car made by BMW. It is not a motorcycle. Look carefully and you can count 1, 2, 3, 4 wheels. Yep, Isettas are really Bimmers. The Isetta What about the BMW Isetta? No the Isetta really had four wheels, not three wheels. Legend has it that the Isetta saved BMW from bankruptcy during some very lean years in the 1950s. Isettas are goofy looking small cars, not goofy looking big motorcycles. Look at the photo: four wheels. Therefore they are Bimmers. Where did this come from? Why are the bikes called Beemer and the cars called Bimmer? A Very Highly Placed BMW Spokesperson sent me the following (reproduced here with permission). While I can't point to any official document that supports this, my understanding of the origins are as follows. The term Beemer was first used with motorcycles. Back when British bikes dominated the market and BSA was a well-known marque, riders referred to them as Beezers -- a way to say the letters BSA as if it were a word. BMW riders said Beemer as a way of saying BMW as a word. This was long before the popularity of BMW cars, so whenever the term Beemer was spoken, it referred to the motorcycle. In theory, one could apply Beemer to either cars or bikes since it is only a reference to the name BMW. In fact some folks do call BMW cars Beemers. When the cars became popular, many people referred to them as Bimmers as well as Beemers. I don't know why this was adopted instead of simply using the existing Beemers. But generally speaking, one calls the bikes Beemers and the cars Bimmers. While it would be ok to refer to a car as a Beemer, it doesn't seem appropriate to refer to a bike as a Bimmer. Well I don't think its OK to call a car a Beemer. Wouldn't that be confusing? What if we called a knife a fork? A nuclear bomb a toothbrush? A politician honest? Or a car a motorcycle? Confusion. Anarchy. What next? A total breakdown of communication. Possibly the end of civilization or even nuclear holocaust. Where was I? Oh yeah, other than letting people call stuff the wrong name, this BMW spokesperson is right on. To sum up and in order to avoid confusion, let's just say that Beemer is the label for BMW motorcycles, and that makes Bimmer the preferred label for BMW cars. It's Simple Here's all you have to remember. If it has fewer than four wheels it is considered a Beemer (or a Beamer). Then all you gotta do is think to yourself: how many wheels does my BMW have? Four wheels? Yep! Bimmer. Unfortunately, there is at least one BMW CCA Chapter with the word Beamer in the title of their Chapter Newsletter. How this came to pass and why it hasn't been corrected is a mystery. All we know is that the chapter is located in California, which may be explanation enough. Now You Know So, now that you know, what do you do with all that knowledge? Look carefully at the cover of the official Boston Chapter BMW CCA publication at the right. See that word in red at the bottom? Please say BIM-MER or perhaps BIM-MAH. If somebody calls your car a Beamer, you may want to correct them if you care at all about how foolish they appear to be... I mean I'm sure I would want to be told if i was confusing a car with a motorcycle or I had a sesame seed stuck between my front teeth or something. If you decide to try to correct someone else less in the know than yourself, please be gentle. Remember, they don't have to call your car a Bimmer. This issue can be very sensitive to some people who will absolutely insist that they drive a four wheeled Beemer. If you get into an argument with somebody... from let's say California... just let it go, say "let's agree to disagree" or something like that, and be secure in the knowledge that you will never embarass yourself again by calling a Bimmer a Beemer. Thank you for your support." _______________________

I've heard these...any others come to mind? Break My Window British Motor Works Basic Marin Wheels Bob Marley and the Wailers Baader Meinhof Wagen

steve-- we'll have to add "02 owner visits bmw dealer" to the "how to gas up your 02" video segment!

Don't have an end date yet, but soon, and definitely sometime before the 2002F is released.

Adam, Please email me off-list when you have a moment. I'm making a movie about 02s and may want to interview you. Thanks. Rich Dana frompus AT gmail DOT com

(From logicalparadoxes.info) Theseus' Ship Theseus is remembered in Greek mythology as the slayer of the Minotaur. For years, the Athenians had been sending sacrifices to be given to the Minotaur, a half-man, half-bull beast who inhabited the labyrinth of Knossos. One year, Theseus braved the labyrinth, and killed the Minotaur. The ship in which he returned was long preserved. As parts of the ship needed repair, it was rebuilt plank by plank. Suppose that, eventually, every plank was replaced; would it still have been the same ship? A strong case can be made for saying that it would have been: When the first plank was replaced, the ship would still have been Theseus' ship. When the second was replaced, the ship would still have been Theseus' ship. Changing a single plank can never turn one ship into another. Even when every plank had been replaced, then, and no part of the original ship remained, it would still have been Theseus' ship. Suppose, though, that each of the planks removed from Theseus' ship was restored, and that these planks were then recombined to once again form a ship. Would this have been Theseus' ship? Again, a strong case can be made for saying that it would have been: this ship would have had precisely the same parts as Theseus' ship, arranged in precisely the same way. If this happened, then, then it would seem that Theseus had returned from Knossos in two ships. First, there would have been Theseus' ship that has had each of its parts replaced one by one. Second, there would have been Theseus' ship that had been dismantled, restored, and then reassembled. Each of them would have been Theseus' ship. Theseus, though, sailed in only one ship. Which one? If Theseus replaced every part in his '74 tii, would it be the same '74 tii? When is a 2002 so modified that it's no longer a 2002?

Theseus' Ship Theseus is remembered in Greek mythology as the slayer of the Minotaur. For years, the Athenians had been sending sacrifices to be given to the Minotaur, a half-man, half-bull beast who inhabited the labyrinth of Knossos. One year, Theseus braved the labyrinth, and killed the Minotaur. The ship in which he returned was long preserved. As parts of the ship needed repair, it was rebuilt plank by plank. Suppose that, eventually, every plank was replaced; would it still have been the same ship? A strong case can be made for saying that it would have been: When the first plank was replaced, the ship would still have been Theseus' ship. When the second was replaced, the ship would still have been Theseus' ship. Changing a single plank can never turn one ship into another. Even when every plank had been replaced, then, and no part of the original ship remained, it would still have been Theseus' ship. Suppose, though, that each of the planks removed from Theseus' ship was restored, and that these planks were then recombined to once again form a ship. Would this have been Theseus' ship? Again, a strong case can be made for saying that it would have been: this ship would have had precisely the same parts as Theseus' ship, arranged in precisely the same way. If this happened, then, then it would seem that Theseus had returned from Knossos in two ships. First, there would have been Theseus' ship that has had each of its parts replaced one by one. Second, there would have been Theseus' ship that had been dismantled, restored, and then reassembled. Each of them would have been Theseus' ship. Theseus, though, sailed in only one ship. Which one?

do you really have a diana? do you have any photos?

here are the plates cali issued starting with the black ones in 1963 and going from right to left i the bottom and then the top row. in 1970 they switched to yellow on blue and went to 7 digits around 1979 or 1980. the sunset motif began in 1982, the blue and red on white in 1987, and the script lettering in 1993. since plates on cali cars stay with the car forever, as long as cali registration is maintained, a car with period correct plates means it has always been registered in cali. if you register a vintage car there and want period correct plates, the only way to do that is to find some in a junkyard or flea market, apply for vanity plates with whatever number is on them, and if the number is available you can use the old plates if you apply the current tabs.

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I kept my blue plates on and I live in New York City. Email me and i'll tell you how to do it. It's easier than you think. Where in Cali are you picking up the car?

steve j--i'll be more than happy to shoot you demonstrating your technique for the movie next time i'm in town, and will happily grant you a special "petroleum transfer consultant" credit if you can get that aforementioned !@#$% chevron nozzle to work!

I was at a Chevron in California the other day and I couldn't get the filler nozzle into the gas tank opening of my 02. Unlike most accordion style fuel vapor covers, which are annoying enough since they force you to hold the nozzle the whole time the pump is on, and even then you can never tell when the tank is full, resulting in gas overflowing all over the quarter panel, this one had a very short rigid cover over a short nozzle that made it impossible to get it in the tank. Anyone else had this problem? If this is the wave of the future we've got bigger problems than $4.00 gas...

thanks. if they're actually getting those prices then that sucker's worth almost as much as my whole car... i'm actually less concerned about the bulb as i am about the stereo separation. i'm wondering if it's playing in stereo but maybe the separation isn't so good in radios of that era.

It's the most basic radio but I can't figure out what all the functions are and am not sure if it's playing in stereo. The switch behind the volume control knob seems like bass/treble, and the volume knob also pulls out and turns but doesn't really do anything. The switch behind the tuning knob has three settings which I think are local/distant or mono/stereo but they all seem the same. There's a light in the center that works and a stereo indicator light on the right but that one doesnt light up at all. Not sure if it's a bulb or some wiring screwup. I had it repaired recently and would like to avoid sending it back in. thanks.

i know about the far left one under the hood release and the one to the right of the glove box but it looks like there are supposed to be others, at least on the driver's side. the passenger side one looks like it may be the only one but the driver's side one has several screw holes and only one mounting point that i can see.

Shoot me an email when you have a moment. Thanks, frompus AT gmail dot com