you guys are all a huge help thank you, but i think i found a problem that i didnt catch before like an idiot. i was too exited i just cleaned em out and tried to tune, but i shoulda done my homework. i found on one carb that both air correctors were 155's, and main jets were 145's. than the idle jets were a 55f8 and 50f8. than the other car was air correctors were a 185 and 190, and main jet were both 150's, while idle jet were both 45f9's. so i think thiss might be whats killin me. i rush things too much sometimes