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  1. Hello, I am selling my set of 13x6” Borrani steel wheels. This is a matching set as all wheels are stamped 7/72. I do not have center caps. I purchased these under the assumption that they were in better shape. I paid top $ and am selling at a loss. These wheels will need work. A blasting and some paint/powder should have them looking new. One of the wheel lips will need some material added, but any competent wheel shop can do that. I have not mounted tires or driven on these wheels, so I cannot speak on how they ride. I have rotated all 4 and they do not wobble, but 2 of the 4 will need to be straightened. I am selling these for $700 + shipping OBO Here’s is a link to more photos: https://imgur.com/a/KeGXt
  2. But This is a bi-metallic rim manufactured by Ruote Borrani - Milano (Borrani Wheels - Milan), a branch of Costruzioni Meccaniche Rho, S.p.A. (a.k.a., CMR) since 1961, when the owners of Carlo Borrani, S.p.A., lacking heirs, merged into CMR. Alpina marketed one or more models of this rim, but Ruote Borrani, CMR, and/or other firms also marketed models of this rim for makes and models other than the BMW 2002. The earliest clearly-dated appearance I have seen of these rims is in a photo of the CMR booth at the 49th Salone Internazionale dell’Automobile, which took place in Torino, Italy from the 1st to the 12th of November, 1967. Medium blue and purple examples of the rim are featured near the center of the CMR booth, the colors, I presume, reflecting an eye-catching presentation, and not actual colors in which the rims were available. The cover of a 1960’s CMR catalogue, which I believe to be dated 1967, also shows an example of the rim, this time identified as a “DIAL 8”. A now well-known marketing photo for Alpina — which I believe dates to ca. 1968 (the track car’s rearview mirror is mounted in the post-1967 location, back from the door’s leading edge, but only a long-neck differential, discontinued early 1969, is shown) — shows a version of the rim, with the center disk painted a dark gray or black and the outer rim painted silver. Thanks to Tom Jones for providing a copy of this photo. Next, in terms of primary documentation, are a pair of road tests of Alpina-prepared 2002’s. The earlier of these, testing a 2002, appeared in a 1968 edition of Auto Italiana. The later of these, testing a 2002ti, appeared in the December 1969 edition of Motor Rundschau. But the rims remained available from Alpina in April 1972, based on a new 2000tii touring delivered by Alpina to a U.S. customer during that year (this is a well-documented Polaris-metallic version sold during 2016 on B.A.T.). Thus, we have clear evidence of the general rim design being offered from 1967 through 1972, with Alpina versions offered from at least 1968 into 1972. Although I have used the term "bi-metallic" to describe these rims, there is doubt in my mind regarding which two metals "bi-metallic" refers to. Neither the center disk nor the barrel is magnetic, suggesting that neither component is steel. A Borrani Dial brochure, ca. 1967, describes them as aluminum alloy (“in lega di alluminio”). Only the rivets holding the two components together appear to be steel. So why were these rims manufactured as two-piece rims and assembled with rivets by the factory? (A.) Two different alloys? (B.) Simply because Borrani has a long history of, and experience with, manufacturing bi-metallic rims -- many of which were, admittedly, a combination of steel and aluminum alloys? (C.) Could casting the rims as two pieces permit them to be lighter than a typical alloy rim, which is cast in a single piece? They are, indeed, lightweight, virtually "magnesium alloy light"! (D.) Was a two-piece rim simply within the manufacturing capability of Borrani while a single-piece aluminum casting was not? Or (E.) Was there another reason altogether for the riveted construction? There are at least five models: R1/468, R1/470, R1/472, R1/476, and R1/508. Are we missing additional models? Two of the identified models, R1/468 and R1/470, are 13” x 5”. The other three models, R1/472, R1/476, and R1/508, are 13” x 5.5”. The differences among the five models, besides rim width, appear to relate to (a.) lug nut pattern (PCD), (b.) offset (ET), and (c.) either center bore diameter or, at minimum, the shape of the aperature for fitting a center cap. The sole example of an R1/468 I've come across lists the PCD as 4 x 98, a common Fiat PCD. I have no estimate of ET. The sole example of an R1/470 I’ve come across lists the rim as “suitable for Opel and BMW 1600/2002”, so presumably a 4 x 100 PCD. I have no estimate of ET. A set of R1/472 rims I own had a PCD of 4 x 98, and a measured ET of 39. A set of R1/476 rims owned by another forum member has a PCD of 4 x 100 and an estimated ET of 29. Lastly, a single example of an R1/508 I own has a PCD of 4 x 100, and a measured ET of 19. In addition, I've seen photos of late 1960's Lancias with what appeared to be the same style of rim. I'm guessing they had a 4 x 130 PCD. Further, a Facebook listing, now lacking a photo, describes a Borrani R1/508 with a 4 x 130 PCD, intended for a Lancia or a 2002ti! It seems clear to me, from the little I know thus far, that CMR was offering these rims for a range of car brands and models, in a range of widths. Would Alpina, for instance, have been selling both 5" and 5.5" versions of this rim for the BMW 2002 market? I don't know for certain, but before you answer "NO", recall that the Alpina/CMR steelie (13", round cutouts) was available from Alpina in two models: the 5" R1-439 and the 5.5" R1-440. As I learn more, I'll try to report it here. Photos below show a set of R1/468’s. Steve C.
  3. This is a bi-metallic rim manufactured by Ruote Borrani - Milano (Borrani Wheels - Milan), a branch of Costruzioni Meccaniche Rho, S.p.A. (a.k.a., CMR) since 1961, when the owners of Carlo Borrani, S.p.A., lacking heirs, merged into CMR. Alpina marketed one or more models of this rim, but Ruote Borrani, CMR, and/or other firms also marketed models of this rim for makes and models other than the BMW 2002. The earliest clearly-dated appearance I have seen of these rims is in a photo of the CMR booth at the 49th Salone Internazionale dell’Automobile, which took place in Torino, Italy from the 1st to the 12th of November, 1967. Medium blue and purple examples of the rim are featured near the center of the CMR booth, the colors, I presume, reflecting an eye-catching presentation, and not actual colors in which the rims were available. The cover of a 1960’s CMR catalogue, which I believe to be dated 1967, also shows an example of the rim, this time identified as a “DIAL 8”. A now well-known marketing photo for Alpina — which I believe dates to ca. 1968 (the track car’s rearview mirror is mounted in the post-1967 location, back from the door’s leading edge, but only a long-neck differential, discontinued early 1969, is shown) — shows a version of the rim, with the center disk painted a dark gray or black and the outer rim painted silver. Thanks to Tom Jones for providing a copy of this photo. Next, in terms of primary documentation, are a pair of road tests of Alpina-prepared 2002’s. The earlier of these, testing a 2002, appeared in a 1968 edition of Auto Italiana. The later of these, testing a 2002ti, appeared in the December 1969 edition of Motor Rundschau. But the rims remained available from Alpina in April 1972, based on a new 2000tii touring delivered by Alpina to a U.S. customer during that year (this is a well-documented Polaris-metallic version sold during 2016 on B.A.T.). Thus, we have clear evidence of the general rim design being offered from 1967 through 1972, with Alpina versions offered from at least 1968 into 1972. Although I have used the term "bi-metallic" to describe these rims, there is doubt in my mind regarding which two metals "bi-metallic" refers to. Neither the center disk nor the barrel is magnetic, suggesting that neither component is steel. A Borrani Dial brochure, ca. 1967, describes them as aluminum alloy (“in lega di alluminio”). Only the rivets holding the two components together appear to be steel. So why were these rims manufactured as two-piece rims and assembled with rivets by the factory? (A.) Two different alloys? (B.) Simply because Borrani has a long history of, and experience with, manufacturing bi-metallic rims -- many of which were, admittedly, a combination of steel and aluminum alloys? (C.) Could casting the rims as two pieces permit them to be lighter than a typical alloy rim, which is cast in a single piece? They are, indeed, lightweight, virtually “magnesium alloy light”! (D.) Was a two-piece rim simply within the manufacturing capability of Borrani while a single-piece aluminum casting was not? Or (E.) Was there another reason altogether for the riveted construction? There are at least five models: R1/468, R1/470, R1/472, R1/476, and R1/508. Are we missing additional models? Two of the identified models, R1/468 and R1/470, are 13” x 5”. The other three models, R1/472, R1/476, and R1/508, are 13” x 5.5”. The differences among the five models, besides rim width, appear to relate to (a.) lug nut pattern (PCD), (b.) offset (ET), and (c.) either center bore diameter or, at minimum, the shape of the aperature for fitting a center cap. The sole example of an R1/468 I've come across lists the PCD as 4 x 98, a common Fiat PCD. I have no estimate of ET. The sole example of an R1/470 I’ve come across lists the rim as “suitable for Opel and BMW 1600/2002”, so presumably a 4 x 100 PCD. I have no estimate of ET. A set of R1/472 rims I own had a PCD of 4 x 98, and a measured ET of 39. A set of R1/476 rims owned by another forum member has a PCD of 4 x 100 and an estimated ET of 29. Lastly, a single example of an R1/508 I own has a PCD of 4 x 100, and a measured ET of 20. In addition, I've seen photos of late 1960's Lancias with what appeared to be the same style of rim. I'm guessing they had a 4 x 130 PCD. Further, a Facebook listing, now lacking a photo, describes a Borrani R1/508 with a 4 x 130 PCD, intended for a Lancia or a 2002ti! It seems clear to me, from the little I know thus far, that CMR was offering these rims for a range of car brands and models, in a range of widths. Would Alpina, for instance, have been selling both 5" and 5.5" versions of this rim for the BMW 2002 market? I don't know for certain, but before you answer "NO", recall that the Alpina/CMR steelie (13", round cutouts) was available from Alpina in two models: the 5" R1-439 and the 5.5" R1-440. As I learn more, I'll try to report it here. Photos below show a set of R1/470’s. Steve C.
  4. This is a bi-metallic rim manufactured by Ruote Borrani - Milano (Borrani Wheels - Milan), a branch of Costruzioni Meccaniche Rho, S.p.A. (a.k.a., CMR) since 1961, when the owners of Carlo Borrani, S.p.A., lacking heirs, merged into CMR. Alpina marketed one or more models of this rim, but Ruote Borrani, CMR, and/or other firms also marketed models of this rim for makes and models other than the BMW 2002. The earliest clearly-dated appearance I have seen of these rims is in a photo of the CMR booth at the 49th Salone Internazionale dell’Automobile, which took place in Torino, Italy from the 1st to the 12th of November, 1967. Medium blue and purple examples of the rim are featured near the center of the CMR booth, the colors, I presume, reflecting an eye-catching presentation, and not actual colors in which the rims were available. The cover of a 1960’s CMR catalogue, which I believe to be dated 1967, also shows an example of the rim, this time identified as a “DIAL 8”. A now well-known marketing photo for Alpina — which I believe dates to ca. 1968 (the track car’s rearview mirror is mounted in the post-1967 location, back from the door’s leading edge, but only a long-neck differential, discontinued early 1969, is shown) — shows a version of the rim, with the center disk painted a dark gray or black and the outer rim painted silver. Thanks to Tom Jones for providing a copy of this photo. Next, in terms of primary documentation, are a pair of road tests of Alpina-prepared 2002’s. The earlier of these, testing a 2002, appeared in a 1968 edition of Auto Italiana. The later of these, testing a 2002ti, appeared in the December 1969 edition of Motor Rundschau. But the rims remained available from Alpina in April 1972, based on a new 2000tii touring delivered by Alpina to a U.S. customer during that year (this is a well-documented Polaris-metallic version sold during 2016 on B.A.T.). Thus, we have clear evidence of the general rim design being offered from 1967 through 1972, with Alpina versions offered from at least 1968 into 1972. Although I have used the term "bi-metallic" to describe these rims, there is doubt in my mind regarding which two metals "bi-metallic" refers to. Neither the center disk nor the barrel is magnetic, suggesting that neither component is steel. A Borrani Dial brochure, ca. 1967, describes them as aluminum alloy (“in lega di alluminio”). Only the rivets holding the two components together appear to be steel. So why were these rims manufactured as two-piece rims and assembled with rivets by the factory? (A.) Two different alloys? (B.) Simply because Borrani has a long history of, and experience with, manufacturing bi-metallic rims -- many of which were, admittedly, a combination of steel and aluminum alloys? (C.) Could casting the rims as two pieces permit them to be lighter than a typical alloy rim, which is cast in a single piece? They are, indeed, lightweight, virtually “magnesium alloy light”! (D.) Was a two-piece rim simply within the manufacturing capability of Borrani while a single-piece aluminum casting was not? Or (E.) Was there another reason altogether for the riveted construction? There are at least five models: R1/468, R1/470, R1/472, R1/476, and R1/508. Are we missing additional models? Two of the identified models, R1/468 and R1/470, are 13” x 5”. The other three models, R1/472, R1/476, and R1/508, are 13” x 5.5”. The differences among the five models, besides rim width, appear to relate to (a.) lug nut pattern (PCD), (b.) offset (ET), and (c.) either center bore diameter or, at minimum, the shape of the aperature for fitting a center cap. The sole example of an R1/468 I've come across lists the PCD as 4 x 98, a common Fiat PCD. I have no estimate of ET. The sole example of an R1/470 I’ve come across lists the rim as “suitable for Opel and BMW 1600/2002”, so presumably a 4 x 100 PCD. I have no estimate of ET. A set of R1/472 rims I own had a PCD of 4 x 98, and a measured ET of 39. A set of R1/476 rims owned by another forum member has a PCD of 4 x 100 and an estimated ET of 29. Lastly, a single example of an R1/508 I own has a PCD of 4 x 100, and a measured ET of 20. In addition, I've seen photos of late 1960's Lancias with what appeared to be the same style of rim. I'm guessing they had a 4 x 130 PCD. Further, a Facebook listing, now lacking a photo, describes a Borrani R1/508 with a 4 x 130 PCD, intended for a Lancia or a 2002ti! It seems clear to me, from the little I know thus far, that CMR was offering these rims for a range of car brands and models, in a range of widths. Would Alpina, for instance, have been selling both 5" and 5.5" versions of this rim for the BMW 2002 market? I don't know for certain, but before you answer "NO", recall that the Alpina/CMR steelie (13", round cutouts) was available from Alpina in two models: the 5" R1-439 and the 5.5" R1-440. As I learn more, I'll try to report it here. Photos below show both a grungy example of an R1/508 and restored versions of R1/508’s on the 1972 2000tii touring sold during 2016 on B.A.T.
  5. Manufacturer dates found: 4-71 6-72 11-72 (Later examples are dated on both the barrel and the face of the rim. Early examples are dated only on the barrel, and thus dates are not readily available on early rims with tires mounted.) CMR Steel Rim Analysis Summary.pdf
  6. Manufacturer dates found: 3-72 7-76 6-77 4-79 5-79 11-80 Rolled/Pulled fenders Camber plates No spacers IE stage II rear springs 205/60 r13
  7. Placing entries in the new rim database reminded me that I've been looking for a set of these Alpina bi-metallic rims for years, but have found virtually none for sale. OK, I have an R1/472 that I found in Italy 3 or so years ago! And I recently found an R1/508 here in the States. Both are shown below. Yes, they are rare. There are at least a few more here in the U.S., but more in Europe. I heard a sighting of a set in the Salt Lake City area a few years back, but I'm unable to locate the owner (on a red '02; that's all I know). Got one? Got two? Got more? The rims I’m looking for are 13" x 5 1/2" and marked R1/508. The R1/472 model is quite similar. It appears to have a 4x98 PCD — convertible by a good wheel shop to a 4x100 PCD — but its offset, ca. ET34, is sub-optimal for an ‘02 — yes, a 5mm spacer would help. The "bi" in bi-metallic refers to their construction of alloy centers riveted to alloy rims (barrels), the two components in this case, presumably, of different alloys. This made them strong but lighter in weight. Borrani made similar rims for Lancias. Please let me know if you have some that you would consider selling. And even if you don't want to sell them, you could contact me just to tease me! PM or email to [email protected] Alternatively, I'll pay a 15% finder's fee if you can put me in touch with someone who owns one or more that I am able to purchase (only the first person who leads me to a given seller gets the finder's fee). That's right, there are multiple ways to win here! I've been able to find some pretty darned rare items through this WTB section. I'm hoping the WTB and all you '02 enthusiasts will bring me luck on these rims! Thanks and regards, Steve
  8. Trying to find a straight set of 13x6 steel wheels (Borrani or Alpina). I'm willing to refinish a set if need be. Thanks in advance everyone wlcriggerATyahooDOTcom
  9. Thanks for all of the interest. The wheels and center caps have been sold to a local party. Regrettably up for sale is my set of uber rare 13x6.5 Borrani steelies. The wheels are the widest Borrani made (for 2002s), with an offset of 8. They will definitely require fender massaging (rolling/pulling), with the extent of the massaging dependent on tire choice. Like a nice set of shoes, however, these Borranis are the kind of wheel you build a car around. I have included photos of Mojojoy's iconic Granada/Bristol 2002 running these same wheels. There are only a few sets of these around today, with just a handful in the US. I bought these wheels in Germany a few years back because, regardless of price, it was impossible to find a set in the US. The wheels have been freshly restored and powdercoated in the original/optional grey color. They haven't been mounted on a car since restoration, so the mounting surfaces are still in perfect condition. 2 of the 4 wheels had some minor indentations (curb rash?) on the faces that were sanded prior to powdercoat, but still show up a little. I have included a photo of these dimples. The wheels are located in Seattle, WA and I will be giving priority to local pickup. The wheels are heavy, but I'm willing to ship if nobody local snags them. Asking $1350. If you need center caps, I have a couple different styles I could include for the right price. Examples:
  10. (Last edited 10-10-2018) Note: A PDF version of my CMR steel rim matrix is attached at the end of this original post. I long hoped to find a set of 5x13 Borrani steel rims for my very stock '76. Why? My snows, of course! Rare? You bet! Desired? Not so much! They were, however, regularly offered for sale, such as in the '70s GS Tuning catalogue and The Roundel. I suspect many, perhaps most, of the 5x13 rims served "snow-tire duty" back in the day. And in November 2012, I purchased a set of four 5x13 rims, most-recently worn by a bona fide German 2002ti and still wearing their factory-applied gray-beige finish (third photo below, after hours of polishing). Provided they run true, I will keep this amazingly-intact original finish. While waiting to find that set of 5x13 rims, however, I decided to assemble some data on CMR-manufactured steel rims. CMR are the initials of Costruzione Meccaniche Rho, S.p.A., the Rho, Italy-based wheel manufacturer into which Carlo Borrani S.p.A. merged in the 1950’s — reportedly after the Borrani-named firm found itself lacking heirs to carry on its business independently. “Ruote Borrani Milano” survives as a division of CMR. It produces — or at least is used to market — all Borrani wire wheels, as well as a number of bi-metallic and specialty rims produced over the decades since Carlo Borrani S.p.A. was merged out of existence. There was a great deal of information out there, but it wasn't organized or summarized, leaving us with lots of loose ends. For example, what models of these rims were produced and when were they produced? I looked primarily at old Roundels, this forum, and the forum offered by the German BMW 02 Club e.V. Here's what I found -- nothing likely to blow your socks off but it dispelled my personal belief that Alpina steel rims (CMR with circular cut-outs) were superseded by Borrani steel rims (CMR with triangular cut-outs). Looking at photos or text that provided dates for rims, the earliest dated Alpina example I have is October 1967 and the latest is September 1972. The earliest dated Borrani example I have is April 1968 and the latest is December 1983. Examples of CMR steel rims produced prior to 1971 may not have stamped markings on the front or rear faces of the rims; only the tire race (a.k.a., barrel) will exhibit the manufacturer, size, and date of manufacture. Alpina steel rims were offered in 5" and 5.5" widths. One contributor thought he recalled, but no longer owned, a set of 6" Alpina rims. Having found no trace of such a width among examples and documentary sources, however, over the course of 4 years, I have now dismissed the possibility of a 6" Alpina rim as a CMR factory offering. I will be happy to be proved wrong: just show me the rims! Borrani steel rims were offered in 5", 5.5", 6", and 6.5" widths. Examples wider than 6.5" were likely modified after leaving the factory, and examples have been modified to a great many different widths -- I've seen widths ranging from 7" to 10"! My conclusions are based on a relatively small population of examples, 157 rims. I would like to expand that population, particularly to improve the accuracy of the date ranges. If you don't mind, could you please post a photo of your rim(s), showing the cut-out shape and the impressed data either on the rim's face around the hub or under the tire, i.e., in the "tire race"/barrel (the latter is obviously not accessible if you have tires mounted)? Attached are my examples. If you are shy, or terribly discrete, feel free to simply send me a PM or an e-mail ([email protected]): that's great as well. The entry I first initiated on 7-10-12 -- found below, posting #38 on page 2 of this string -- contains a listing of my observations to date, prepared on the basis of the attached pdf summary (which is also attached to posting 38 of this thread). Thanks kindly for all your input. The following represents your work and contributions. I'm just the compiler! Steve CMR Steel Rim Analysis Summary.pdf


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