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  1. You all may already have this car, 1562154. Seller claims the build record says build in 12/67, and the car has a padded dash. It's pretty clearly a 1600-2 that was turned into a tribute 1600ti. Maybe there's more information on the car or more pictures somewhere else. RPS
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    1560629

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-6/ 1560629 now converted to 1600ti tribute car, with all features of a 1600ti from 1967
  3. Steve, I called the guy at DC Motors and went back and looked at the pictures. I think we can scratch 1560828 off the list. Partitioned padded dash, far too modified to tell many stories. Interesting sunroof. Also, sold. Sorry I can't find anything within your sweet spot VINs and dates, unless the VIN for the "Barnfinds" car above can be discovered and crowds the earlier chrome dash cars you've found. Congratulations on getting the dates and numbers that close to the chrome to padded dash transition! Aloha, Robert
  4. So, Here's. a few more cars, in no particular order, which fit the USA phasing time gap we are looking at for 1600-2 cars, Sorry if there are any duplicates from above: 1. 1968 1600-2, 1562051, Build Record, Manufactured December 20, 1967, to Hoffman on January 2, 1968. Padded dash, 3 spoke wheel, front seat headrests, dealer installed A/C, Caribe. 2. 1560828, This car was restored and modified with a 2002 motor. It started life as a 1600-2. Looks like a padded dash, but this may be a car that is modified enough as to not be able to count it as padded or chrome. DC Motors, Anaheim, 714-695-0102 http://classiccardb.com/bmw/495460-1968-bmw-1600-sedan.html 3. 1561383, This Sahara car has been "upgraded" with a 2002 engine. Salvage title. Clearly a padded dash car. http://classiccardb.com/bmw/112476-1968-bmw-1600-with-upgraded-20-liter-engine-white-manual-sedan.html 4. Here's an early 1968 1600-2, but unfortunately no VIN in the ad. Spent time in Oregon with Oregon plates. Chrome dash. Maybe someone like 02Les will recognize this car and give it a chassis number. Believed to be a US spec car, but again takes a good eye. https://barnfinds.com/30-year-sleep-1968-bmw-1600/ At the least, we're getting some of these US spec transition cars from 1967-1968 in the same thread! Aloha, Robert
  5. Steve, back to work. I know one item that would fit well into your #6. ? The existence of a VIN number tag on top of the steering wheel housing. I'm quite sure my car, 1560679, never had that feature. Just wondering if this was a "phase in" item. Ray, no nerd comments, please. RPS
  6. Well, shoot. I thought this thread was progressing towards something worthy of the History and Reference Section. Now Ray shows up, and turns it into Faq-Yak. Oh well, at least we made it to page 3.... Ray, by the way, it's so hot here that the pigs in the pig pen melted, the grease ran into the tater patch, and made French Fries! I was just out in the BMW you talked me into buying. The A/C was blowing 29 degrees. My knee froze and locked, and I drove right past our home at 70 mph, with the family half smiling and waving quizzically from the front yard. Okay, back to work. Everyone have a great Sunday. Stay ahead of the plague. Aloha, Robert
  7. Steve, I was trying to power out some research for the group while my family was waiting for me to cook Sunday breakfast out here in Hawaii. Double tasking under pressure! Sorry I simply did not have the time to put the chassis numbers in order of manufacture date. I think it would be great if someone else, with knowledge of more potential entries could compile a larger list, which would put all these transitional 1968 USA cars in sequential order. That way we could start looking at some of your other questions, like: 2. Two-spoke or three-spoke steering wheel? 3. Silver-painted or black bezel for instrument cluster? 4. Driver’s outside mirror at leading edge of door, or near rear of front vent window? 5. Triangular punch-outs in trunk bulkhead or no punch-outs? 6. What else? It's an interesting project. Almost done with all the input with information that flows from this thread! Aloha, Robert
  8. So, here's a list of cars that hover in that late 1967 and early 1968 manufacture date, with either chrome or padded dash. RPS Here's 1561272. There's enough of it remaining original to tell it was a padded dash, US spec car. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-17/ Here's 1562763, restored to near original with padded dash. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-16/ Here's 1562177, with a build record and padded dash. Manufactured January 10, 1968 and delivered to Hoffman January 23, 1968 https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-11/ Here's 1561193. Somebody built it into a 1600ti tribute car. Shows a chrome dash. Hard to say. No build record. Replacement Chassis tag. This may be a car that needs to be set aside vis-a-vis any data base, but a good lucking tribute! https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-9/ Here's 1560364. Looks like some original elements remain, but dealer-supplied A/C system in upper dash where tray should be. Chrome underneath. I'd count this as a US spec chrome dash car. Could this one be the earliest US spec chrome dash car thus far? https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-10/ Here's 1562706. No build record, but pretty clearly a padded dash car. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-7/ Here's 1562173. Built in January 1968. Tom Jones speculates this may the 19th 1600-2 built with a padded dash. https://bringatrailer.com/2013/03/29/roundie-simplicity-1968-bmw-1600/ Here's my car, 1560679. Chrome dash, built September 28, 1967, now the third oldest US spec car with a chrome dash, behind 1560562 and 1560364 https://bringatrailer.com/2015/06/15/1968-bmw-1600-2/ Hope this helps some with the dash puzzle. I enjoy being able to verify the cars with pictures and narrative. Aloha, Robert
  9. You all may already have this data point, but here's 1562154, built in 12/67, with a padded dash: https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2012/04/19/hemmings-find-of-the-day-1968-bmw-1600-2 Also, here's a nicely done compilation on dashboard variations done by Andrew Adams of Adams Autosport, and edited by Steve: https://adamsautosport.com/information/tutorials/bmw-2002-dashboard-variations/ Maybe this FAQ thread preceded or happened in close time proximity to the Adams Autosport compilation link above: Here's an FAQ thread that addresses Shawn Kampmann's 1560562. So, this is the earliest "chrome dash US spec" car I have seen: I ran across this little gem. Not really too germane or updated for the 1600 cars, but it seems this "expert" tried to tease 2002 evolution: https://www.02restoration.com/bmw-2002-history/bmw-2002-a-technical-history/
  10. The "Search" feature on Bring-A-Trailer is a pretty interesting place to get old information on old cars. That said, it's not much help in answering Mike's question relative to the exact time the US spec cars arrived with a padded dash instead of chrome. 1. This first link is a car that was made in April, 1967, delivered to Hoffman's organization, but sold new in San Francisco at German Motors sometime after May in 1967. I find this pretty interesting. Terrific details on this car. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-bmw-1600-2/ 2.Here's another 1967 1600-2 that was both made and delivered to Hoffman in April, 1967. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-bmw-1600-3/ 3. Here's another 1967 example. Looks like Tom Jones evaluated this car on FAQ back when it was for sale. Nice car! https://bringatrailer.com/2012/02/19/museum-ready-9k-mile-1967-bmw-1600-httpforums-bimmerforums-comforumshowthread-phpt1455851/ 4,Here's a European 1968 with chrome dash, manufactured September 17, 1967 and delivered to Switzerland September 25, 1967. Not that much help on USA chrome dashes, but at least it gives a baseline for the European models. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-8/ 5. Both these links below are my car. 1560679. Made September 28, 1967 and delivered to Hoffman on October 5, 1967. Still trying to find another US spec car that's earlier with chrome dash. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-6/ https://bringatrailer.com/2015/06/15/1968-bmw-1600-2/ Aloha, Robert
  11. Done. By the way, when Erick refers to "Tommy" in his note above, it may well be Tom Merkel, who started The Cuyama Historical Car Garden. RPS
  12. I spoke with him several times yesterday, by email. His name is Erick Goycochea. Here's the last thing he wrote me, below. He admits that English is a second language for him, so he's a little shy about stretching out his vocabulary when writing. Might be best to talk to him by phone. I can tell he's proud of the car, may be overly ambitious about price, but I believe otherwise just a nice guy with an old BMW. Erick wrote: "English is my second language so I don't have all the words to express it sometime. I'm happy to send you more pictures but I don't know exactly what part do you need if you have pictures of the part you want I can take them. Gearbox it's original like everything in the car. The only mechanic work on the car was Vanik over Bavarian Motors in Sun Valley and he told me that the engine it's not a TI but it has high-performance features. goes beyond my expertise. This car has a really good story, I rescued from the car garden in Cuyama the car belongs to a mechanic Gayland friend of Tommy (see YouTube) he stored the car there for few years so I bought the car from Gayland and rescued from Cuyama. Car was in a mint condition of course with some imperfections because of all the years but it drives so nice. Sending you some pictures of the rescued mission Please let me know if you have any questions. Best Regards, Erick" You gotta admit, this is a car with a story! Best of luck. Aloha, Robert
  13. I wrote the seller, Erick, to see if he'd send me pictures of the rear bulkhead. Yes, I'm still on a research mission to try and understand the evolution of rear bulkhead designs in BMW sedans! Anyway, he sent me some pictures back, and told me it was okay to post them for you all to view. Turns out this car has been advertised on FAQ before. See the thread from August 2018, below. I did quiz him about a few things. Reference to "Anniversary edition" in his FAQ ad was probably just because he was trying to sell it in 2018, 50 years after the year it was manufactured. That explanation is my guess. The car has a clean CA title, according to seller. The build record on the car is as follows: "The BMW 1600 US VIN 1562248 was manufactured on January 01st, 1968 and delivered on January 24th, 1968 to the BMW importer Hoffman Motors Corp. in New York City. The original colour was Chamonix, paint code 085." According to Erick, the car was found in The Cuyama Historical Car Garden, an eclectic desert repository for old cars in California. He sent along a couple of pictures of the car just before it was rescued from the desert, below. So, there you have it. Seems like an interesting, black plate California survivor. Interior upholstery has been redone. Erick says the former owner was a mechanic did some performance upgrades to the engine, but he does not know the specifics of the upgrades. No historic documents, no tool kit, but has spare tire and tire changing equipment. Erick can be reached on the Craigslist address, or through FAQ by his username bmw1600sb. He seems like a nice fellow. Aloha, Robert
  14. My car was made on September 28, 1967 and delivered to Hoffman on October 6, 1967. It was imported to the US as a 1968, Federalized car, and sold new in the San Francisco area. Note the chrome trimmed dashboard that Steve is pointing out. The only true "chrome" is the front piece of the ash tray. The rest is vacuum metallized plastic, or so called "chromed plastic." These non-metal pieces used to be unobtainable, but now Blunttech and others carry remanufactured bits that are as good as new. Aloha, Robert
  15. Just to chime in the chorus, it's a really nice example, but I'd be worried about the rust. I just finished restoring a rust-free 1968, and I think replacing all the rubber parts was a grand. Here's a few comparable cars that have sold. The third link in the BaT list is my car, and I paid up for no rust. See rust, and run! If the buyer is in the car in the low twenties when it's all finished, it will be a good buy and a good investment. Just my opinion. Aloha! Robert https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-7/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-bmw-1600-6/
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