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  1. Also, keep in mind that even though the photos in the Road&Track article are black and white, that 2760002 was Polaris Silver, the pre production Euro VIN Tii sent to the US for EPA and DOT testing was Chamonix (both of those cars are known to still exist in the US), no other Tiis were known to exist in the US, especially with US side markers, US turn signals, bumper guards, and as can be seen the engine photo, a US air cleaner with evap pipe. The black and white photos show a Tii that is obviously not silver or white.

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  2. I believe that the fasten seatbelt warning system was an integral part of the original inertia belt system, that no ‘02 that originally came with spaghetti belts would have. My parent’s 0007 never had a fasten seatbelt pod, there’s a service bulletin here on the FAQ that @jgerockshared a while back that shows Tii’s changed from spaghetti belts to inertia reel at 2760049. I’ve worked on 0048 and can confirm that it had spaghetti belts originally. I would install inertia reel belts for anything that gets driven even in a semi regular basis, but, collect all the parts and pieces of the spaghetti belt setup and keep them in a spares box that would go with the car to the next owner. Also, I would keep the hole in the rear “door” panels for the spaghetti shoulder belt attachment. There are period correct, like from another BMW or German car thread in plastic caps available somewhere that I’d install there to finish it off.

     

    Taking many photos to document the previous repair work and black paint in the parts is very important. Document everything... It’s especially easy enough to do in this digital world. So yes, no more snorkel... I’m sorry that uninformed folks would talk down to you about the car having a snorkel.

     

    Hope This Helps,

    Tom

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  3. Bring a Trailer failed you, they got the sale but didn’t care how much it sold for beyond that. Not nearly enough emphasis was paid to the fact that this is an extremely early production Tii, nor that it contains a Close Ratio FIVE SPEED. Not that it’s original to the car, but it’s worth 1/3 or more of the final sale price! It was also too close on the heels of another much cleaner Tii.

     

    The auction title should’ve read:

     

    1972 2002tii Very Early Production

     

    or

     

    1972 2002tii w/ Close Ratio 5-Speed

     

    The buyer just got an AMAZING deal on both the CR 5-spd AND an extremely early Tii to go with it, one of the very earliest US market Tii’s known in existence! AND they don’t seem to care! Quote ATX-Z8, the buyer “Thank you. Now the angst begins. I want to do right by this roundie. But I really like those ponies. Lots of ponies. Sleeper build?”


    It’ll be a travesty if this car gets flares and any other body modifications. ?

     

    Expect the CR 5-spd to soon part ways from the car, be sold off and replaced with an overdrive.

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  4. Now, get under the car with a couple of rags soaked in WD40, Super Clean (wear gloves!) or other, and let’s see if there’s evidence or not of four speed mounting ears. Remember, factory CR 5spd ‘02s never had 4spd mounting ears.

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  5. I dug out an example photo of an original CR 5spd car. This shows the mounting ears and original bent shift support that clears the guibo. Someone could’ve simply replaced the shift tower support arm in your car at some point in its life. Also note the thick smooth weld on the shift tower, all original CR 5spd shift towers were 4spd ones that were cut, shortened and welded back together, thus it’s hard to determine whether one is original or done after sale. This photo happens to be of a customer’s 2002 Turbo, so the exhaust is a little different. ?

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  6. The shift linkage, specifically the support arm, isn’t an original CR five speed part. I do see some spots where the mounting ears could’ve previously been, forward of where they are now. Cleaning, pressure washing, wiping down with Super Clean (with gloves on!), can shed some light on the subject. I have a feeling it wasn’t a factory ordered five speed, but would love to be proven wrong. ?

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  7. Mike, if your 0026 does turn out to be an original close ratio five speed car, that would be a VERY special car indeed! As far as I have been able to ascertain, all BMWs of that era that were close ratio equipped from the factory got this shift knob from the 1800 TiSA parts bin. Part number 23411666170 

     

    The 2002 Turbos were four speeds as standard, but many were close ratios, and of those that I’ve seen, which is admittedly more than my fair share since... long story. All those I’ve seen that are original close ratio cars, have this shift knob.

     

    If I were the custodian of your car, I’d definitely buy one of these shift knobs while they’re still available!

     

    https://www.bmw2002faq.com/forums/topic/85749-the-rarest-shift-knob-in-the-world-of-02s/?tab=comments#comment-366725

     

    https://www.bmw2002faq.com/forums/topic/262458-genuine-factory-5-speed-dog-leg-shift-knob/?tab=comments#comment-1414321

  8. 53 minutes ago, tucker48 said:

     

    I see there were a few cars sold in Canada before 1/6/72 but do you know of any US cars sold before that day?  It would be really cool if this was the first tii sold!  I didn't think so given that it was #26, but it sounds like it might be possible.  

     

    Thanks!

    Mike

    I know of another Malaga Tii that was ordered, and picked up new at Peter Pan BMW near San Francisco in December ‘71. I got to chat with that buyer a number of years ago, but I couldn’t get the VIN from him as he sold it only a few years later for a Porsche or something. Either way, it’s definitely one of the first 26!

     

    2760001 and 2760002 were both born in May ‘71. 0001 was used as the press car and 0002 went to an East Coast dealer. Both cars still exist today... There’s even a pre US VIN Tii that came here then and was used in Michigan for DOT testing. And THAT car exists today as well, in a friend’s collection in Chicago. Some of the story of 0002 can be found here in the registry.

     

    Here’s the story of 2700177:

    http://www.2002tii.org/kb/168

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  9. @tucker48 It seems a whole batch of Tii’s were born on Oct. 20th ‘71. My parents still have theirs, which they bought new from Weathford BMW in Berkeley CA in early Feb ‘72.

     

    The BMW 2002 tii US VIN 2760007 was manufactured on October 20th, 1971 and delivered on November 8th, 1971 to Hoffman Motors. The original colour was Colorado, paint code 002.

     

    It’s SO great to see these first batch of US Tii’s come out of the woodwork! Congrats on a beautiful Malaga one you have there!

     

     

  10. The color change to not only a non year correct BMW color, not even any BMW color, or color you could name as from another make model or year of car, not to mention the poor quality of the job, is precisely why it didn’t even break 20k on one of the best places to sell a 2002tii on the market. If this car were left in its factory color combination and the extra money otherwise spent on the full color change spent on a higher quality paint job, and some other higher focus on quality details, it could’ve gotten 10-15k more in the auction.

     

    While the color appears very similar to BMW Reseda Green from the late seventies, it is not mentioned in the auction if that’s what it is. If that’s what the color is, it should’ve been mentioned as such. The auction  specialist should’ve been familiar enough with BMWs to have known that and asked the seller if that’s what the color is. Same goes for the paint shop that sprayed the car, going to a place that knows BMWs well enough to know their BMW and European colors well enough to suggest wither keeping the color original, period BMW original, a BMW color, or, when the owner chose this color, to mention that there’s a so very similar BMW color and to suggest that... That and the cheap looking undercoating is why it didn’t sell for more. A better thought out early production 2002tii could make twice or much, much more in an auction environment such as BaT.

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