Mike Self

5 hours ago, 1965GTFB said:

Here is a pic of the trunk bulkhead.  So, the cut-outs you mentioned.  Actual holes that you can see through to the back side of the rear seat upholstery?

To see those triangular cutouts, you need to lean further down in the trunk to take the picture.  They're in the far upper, outer corners just below the underside of the package shelf.  Your picture doesn't show the triangles.

mike

PS--per Steve's explanation about the earliest US spec 1968 1600s having an all chrome instrument housing, chrome trimmed dash etc is that the Federal regs that did away with all that reflective chrome in the driver's line of vision took effect on 1 January 1968.  While most manufacturers incorporated those requirements in all their 1968 model year cars (beginning in Sept 1967), BMW didn't do so until 1 January 1968, creating two versions of their 1968 cars:  early and late, or 1st and 2nd series.  Then they did the same thing with their '69 model year cars:  those produced between Sept '68 and 31 Dec 68, and those produced from January '69 on.  

Per Mark's post above--especially check the short length of rubber fuel line that connects the pickup line in the gas tank to the translucent fuel line atop the gas tank.  If that (or the other pieces of rubber fuel line in the engine compartment) has a woven cloth covering, replace with new fuel line, as that cloth covered line is probably original.  It cracks with age, and the cloth covering obscures the cracks.  

A mechanical fuel pump would much rather suck air than fuel, so any place where air can get in the fuel line (like a porous rubber line, loose hose etc) will keep even a good pump from working.  

Finally, check the cover on your pump.  Depending on pump type, it may have a removable cover with a filter screen underneath.  The screen may be clogged or the cover gasket may be dried out, causing an air leak.

mike

I suspect Stephen has the answer--the canceling "finger" or "thimble) is only press-fitted to the underside of the steering wheel hub.  If it moves or gets mispositioned it won't engage the little finger on the lever assembly. 

 It might also have to do with the inner end of the lever--it has a little roller that rides on a curved surface formed by part of the diecast lever assembly housing.  If the surface is worn or has a divot in it, the little roller can hang up.  This can also cause the lever not to stay in position when selecting a left or right turn.   If that's the case, I can help as I did a column after finding that wear on my turn signal assembly.

mike

Perhaps you've parked just a little too close to a British car, and your 02 has caught the dreaded Brit oil leak syndrome...

Suggest parking close to Japanese cars in the future.  

mike

5 hours ago, Son of Marty said:

The was a actress named Isabella Duncan who had her long scarf get caught in the knock off wheel spinner of her sport car killing her.

That was Isadora Duncan; she was a famous dancer of the teens and 20s.  She died while a passenger in a French Amilcar CGSS; her long scarf became entangled in the spokes of the right rear wire wheel, wrapping tightly around her neck and jerking her out of the car, killing her both by strangulation and impact with the pavement.  In the 1968 movie about her, she was riding in a  right hand drive Type 35 Bugatti, and was only strangled--not bodily jerked out of the car--by the left rear wheel.  

This all happened in 1927, long before (almost) anyone was thinking about automotive safety...

8 hours ago, 1965GTFB said:

Any tips on the best source for Bilsteins?

I've had good experiences with the Shock Warehouse.  Prices are good, they offer specials often and IIRC shipping is free if you order more that a couple hundred bucks worth (easy with a set of Bilsteins for an 02).  Last time I checked they had 'em in stock for an 02...but unless you're gonna track the car, go with the HDs vs the Sports.

mike

18 minutes ago, visionaut said:

For an alternate oil pressure location, I know some tap the oil filter housing..

If you have a '72 or later 02, your oil filter housing should have a little dimple in the casting that's plainly visible between the mounting bolts.  On tii's that's used for an oil line that lubricates the k-fish pump.  So you can drill and tap it for the sender that goes with your oil pressure gauge--also works for an oil temp sender unit location.  

If you want to mount the oil pressure sender where the factory warning light sender lives, you'll need a T fitting with the correct threads to match the cylinder head and the factory warning light sender.  The VDO oil pressure gauge sender can be bought with two terminals:  one for the gauge, the other for the light.  Dunno if Sun offers that.

mike

PS--given clean threads on the sender and a good ground on the gauge, the factory water temp gauge is quite accurate.  You might want to consider an oil temperature gauge in its stead.

If the problem turns out to be the regulator itself, it usually manifests as either the rivets in the pantograph arms failing, or the pin in the center of the concentric spring failing.  Both can be replaced--the former with a M-B part and the latter with a little work on your part.  

I did a column on repairing regulators; PM me if you'd like a copy.

mike

11 hours ago, David Layton said:

The Flash on the Dash only works on the right side and with the emergency blinkers. 

Turn your emergency flashers on and see if any of the four corners are noticeably dimmer than the other three.  If you have a poor connection (hot or ground) on one bulb, it can affect the little double relay inside the flasher unit.

mike

Mario, a whole bunch of US cars (GM, Ford and Chrysler) from the 50s and 60s with manual windows used those concentric springs in their window regulators, and most models were either exported to Canada or built there.  You need to find an old line auto body shop, take your old spring there and ask around if anyone knows one that's close in size.  Some old-timer is bound to recognize an interchange for you.

And if you have any long-time junkyards, I'll bet someone there can help you find a spring that'll work.

mike

IIRC beginning with the 1968 model year on US spec cars, the silver rings around the instruments and the perimeter of the housing were not shiny silver from the factory due to the Federal safety rules that went into effect in 1968.  Those rules required all trim items in the driver's line of vision be non-reflective--thus the elimination of the chrome on the dash, the chrome surround on the instruments and matte finished windshield wiper arms and blades on US cars, but not on Euro versions. 

When I refurbished the cluster on my '69, I painted the instrument bezels with spray can dull silver, and hand painted the housing perimeter with a dull silver model airplane paint.  Turned out very nice.  

7 hours ago, 1965GTFB said:

As mentioned before the 2nd owner had no recollection of the dash every being changed from the 3 piece with chrome trim that the car should have come with.

I'll wager that sometime in the car's life the original 3 piece dash was either damaged or cracked badly, and was swapped out for a two or one piece dash.  Happened a lot before folks started trying to keep their cars original.

mike

Your 1600 is an early US spec '68 (model year, regardless of the year it was actually assembled).  So the housing that holds the instruments should be painted black, not all chrome like the '67s and non US cars for several more years after '67.

A 1600 would have come with a clock instead of a tach but most 1600s have acquired a tach over the years.  The tach you pictured with the red needle and a 5000 rpm red line is from Something Else.  In your first picture, the cluster on the right has the correct tach--it matches the speedo and gas/temp gauges.  

In your second to the last picture, showing the bakelite panel with wiring connections, there are two, three-pin connectors.  One has a three socket, three wire harness connected to it; the other has a rubber plug covering it.  One is for the clock; the other, for the tach.  The attached picture shows which one goes where.  It's from a tii, which has both a clock and a tach, so you only need to pay attention to the tach wiring.  

In your last picture, you show a housing with long studs, like the ones pictured above.  It appears someone cut the original studs on your clusters off--dunno why.  But that piece with the studs is only the outer housing for the speedo, so simply remove the large nut that surrounds the speedo cable threads, and swap the short stud piece for the long stud piece in your last picture.

Hope that helps.

mike

The tail light bulbs in both roundies and squarelights are the smaller sized bulbs, #5007--a 5-6 watt bulb .  DO NOT use the larger, brighter 1156 bulbs that are meant for your brake lights, turn signals and backup lights.  They will melt your expensive-to-replace tail light lenses in short order.  

mike

And if the pot metal pin that holds the center of the spring in place is broken or hopelessly worn, PM me for a copy of the column I did on repairing those regulators...

mike

Interesting...I know for a fact that my '69 never had one, as I remember looking down the timing ball hole shortly after buying the car new.  I had read the owners manual (!) which had a picture of the hole and the timing ball, and having never seen such a setup, had to see it for myself.  Since I bought my '73 when it was 5 years old, I can't vouch that it didn't come with one from the factory, but it sure wasn't on the car when I bought it from the original owner.  

But it has a part number:  23 11 1 200 477.  Learn something new every day on these cars!

mike 

Yep, that's the sighting hole to locate TDC and the timing mark (ball) set in the flywheel.  It's possible that a cap was installed on Euro cars, but I've never seen one on a US spec 02.

mike

Hard to tell from the picture, but does the plug cover the hole that you sight through to see the timing mark ball on the flywheel?  If so, I'll have to admit I've never seen a plug in that hole, and that's after seeing a bunch of 2002s, including the one I bought new. 

I suspect someone added it --unless that's covering another hole.

mike

Did you spot those cars in Ft Lauderdale (I noticed the Broward county license plate, then the beach club stickers)

That Bavaria has been all over--South Carolina, Colorado and now Florida (?).

Nostalgia for my hometown...When I was in high school, I lived about three blocks from the Lago Mar Hotel...and earlier was friends with the son of the hotel's general manager.  We had lots of fun playing all around the hotel, running our model boats in the swimming pool and walking up the beach to the Port Everglades inlet, where we jumped from rock to rock on the breakwater all the way out to the end.

mike

8 hours ago, enoz05 said:

Do you happen to have a picture of the rectangular speaker grill mounted in a console in a 2002?

Sorry--I have an old rusty grille but never used it.  My radios are fastened beneath the ashtray holder on the '69, and in the Frigiking A/C housing on my 73.  But I can take a picture of my rusty speaker grille if you need one.

mike

Try replacing the mounting screws for the front turn signal housings with stainless steel screws--as those screws are the only grounds for the front turn signals and parking lights.  

If that doesn't work, run a ground wire from the bulb housing bracket down through the wire grommet in the fender and fasten the wire to a good ground in the engine compartment. 

But I'll bet new mounting screws will do the trick; I've never had to run a separate ground for either of my cars in 50+ years--and lots of road salt and rust.

mike

Remembering that US cars came with no radio and not even an apparent way to mount one, and our consoles--long or short--came with a wood (or later plastic) crosspiece at the top (where the speaker is in your picture) containing an ashtray.  So most owners or dealers hung their radio from the bottom of the ashtray-containing crosspiece, and then filled the space below the radio--and out to the front edge of the console with that speaker cover--which on the once I've seen (and that lurk in my parts stash) are actually rectangular.  

So, I guess that may be a difference between Euro radio installations and those here in the States.

Very cool Euro multiband Blaupunkt radio, BTW...

mike

And to answer an earlier question about when US 02s got ribs on the dashboard's "package shelf", it occurred sometime in March or April 1969.  My Feb 69 (1664801) car doesn't have the ribs, but I've seen cars with VINs only a few hundred higher than mine with ribs.  Anyone out there with a 1665XXX car with either a ribbed or plain dash shelf?  The changeover doesn't show in the parts book.  An early automatic (2531485) does have ribs,but then the first US automatics didn't hit the US until sometime in May-June 69...

mike

Keep in mind that at least in the US, there was no "installed by the factory" radio for '02s.  So either the dealer or the first owner installed what they wanted. 

The speaker grille in your picture appears to be the correct, as it originally filled in the lower portion of the center console, between the bottom edge of the radio chassis and the trailing edge of the console, just ahead of the shift boot (at least on short console cars).  It takes a 4x6" speaker.

I've no seen the other three pieces; the center one appears to support the radio, but I don't see how the side pieces are used with either a long or short console.  

mike

Have you considered a compromise on rim diameter by using a 14 x 6 (6 1/2?) basketweave from an E30?  Proper offset, easy to find, not terribly expensive and period looking.  

mike

I was under the impression that the fuel gauge circuit was basically governed by resistance vs voltage.  As the float in the sender unit moves up and down the two resistance wires, it changes the resistance in the circuit from around 80 ohms when the tank is empty to 5-6 when it's full.  

If you connect an ohmeter to your sender unit (out of the car) you should see the ohms go up or down as you (carefully!) move the float up and down its wires.

BTW, if you can find some resistance wire that measures 6 ohms/inch you can repair the broken wire on your old sender.

mike