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1 hour ago, Mitch_M said:

2760765, Colorado; current color is Fjord.

 

Great! But wouldn’t it be nice to confirm the precise manufacturing date — which I’d guesstimate is around January 21, 1972, as it was for VIN 2760754 (window sticker below)?

 

In less than a minute, one can email the VIN to BMW Group Archives and request their data on the car (info.grouparchiv@bmwgroup.com). Within two business days you will generally get a reply, at no cost.

 

Publish that data here and/or in this forum’s terrific ‘02 Registry.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Steve

 

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I've never spent much time looking at 2002's window sticker, but it surprises me that tinted glass, reclining seats and skai upholstery are options.  I've never seen a Hoffman era 2002 without these, so am I correct to assume these were things Hoffman motors ordered on all 2002s?

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2 hours ago, Conserv said:

 

Great! But wouldn’t it be nice to confirm the precise manufacturing date — which I’d guesstimate is around January 21, 1972, as it was for VIN 2760754 (window sticker below)?

 

 

Mine is 2760698 built on Jan 18, 1972 , a Tuesday.

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Great! But wouldn’t it be nice to confirm the precise manufacturing date — which I’d guesstimate is around January 21, 1972, as it was for VIN 2760754 (window sticker below)?
 
In less than a minute, one can email the VIN to BMW Group Archives and request their data on the car (info.grouparchiv@bmwgroup.com). Within two business days you will generally get a reply, at no cost.
 
Publish that data here and/or in this forum’s terrific ‘02 Registry.
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Steve
 
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Steve,

Forgot I did that years ago! According to reply, it was manufactured on 21 Jan ‘72, and delivered to Hoffman on 24 Jan ‘72 (which seems too fast to me, but I’ve been wrong before).


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On 12/21/2018 at 3:03 PM, g_force said:

I've never spent much time looking at 2002's window sticker, but it surprises me that tinted glass, reclining seats and skai upholstery are options.  I've never seen a Hoffman era 2002 without these, so am I correct to assume these were things Hoffman motors ordered on all 2002s?

 

That is correct. Hoffman Motors ordered all their U.S.-imported cars with these options, not necessarily from the 1966 introduction of the 1600-2, but from fairly early in the production. Skai (all-vinyl) upholstery appeared to come first: most, if not all, U.S. 1966-67 1600-2’s appear to be so-equipped. The first window sticker below is from VIN 1527753 (June 6, 1967).

 

Reclining seats seems to have come next. The second window sticker below is for VIN 1570400 (November 10, 1969).

 

And tinted windows followed. The third window sticker below is for VIN 2760233 (December 21, 1971).

 

These are the first appearances of these items in my tiny collection of window sticker photos. These Hoffman Motors “mandatory options” may certainly have appeared earlier than these examples. Importantly, once these items appeared on a window sticker, they were on all subsequent window stickers. Reclining seats and tinted windows eventually became standard equipment.

 

Why these “mandatory options”? I would guess it was largely some combination of (a.) increasing Hoffman Motor Corp’s profitability, and (b.) better matching the cars’ equipment to Hoffman’s perceived assessment of U.S. market expectations.

 

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Steve

 

 

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8 hours ago, Mitch_M said:

 


Steve,

Forgot I did that years ago! According to reply, it was manufactured on 21 Jan ‘72, and delivered to Hoffman on 24 Jan ‘72 (which seems too fast to me, but I’ve been wrong before).


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Mitch,

 

”Delivery” to Hoffman was not physical delivery of the car but, rather, legal transfer of the car from BMW A.G. to Hoffman Motors Corp as the sole U.S. importer. This generally occurred before the car was shipped to the U.S., as Hoffman assumed the risk of loss and cost of insurance as the car made its way to the U.S.

 

Shipment to the U.S. generally took 5 to 12 weeks depending on German trucking schedules, ship schedules, weather, Port of Entry (especially whether the P.O.E. was East Coast or West Coast), Panama Canal schedules (for West Coast P.O.E.’s), distances from the P.O.E.’s to the retail dealerships, U.S. truck schedules, and whatever!

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Steve

 

 

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Mitch,
 
”Delivery” to Hoffman was not physical delivery of the car but, rather, legal transfer of the car from BMW A.G. to Hoffman Motors Corp as the sole U.S. importer. This generally occurred before the car was shipped to the U.S., as Hoffman assumed the risk of loss and cost of insurance as the car made its way to the U.S.
 
Shipment to to the U.S. generally took 5 to 12 weeks depending on German trucking schedules, ship schedules, weather, Port of Entry (especially whether the P.O.E. was East Coast or West Coast), Panama Canal schedules (for West Coast P.O.E.’s), distances from the P.O.E.’s to the retail dealerships, U.S. truck schedules, and whatever!
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Steve
 
 


I learned something today. Thanks for the details!


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I have had the pleasure of owning 2761076 for the last 21 years. Originally white, now Golf with black interior and Rota R-20s.

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On 12/21/2018 at 8:19 PM, Greg72tii said:

I have had the pleasure of owning 2761076 for the last 21 years. Originally white, now Golf with black interior and Rota R-20s.

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Probably a February 1972 car, Greg. How about sending the VIN to BMW Group Archives (info.grouparchiv@bmwgroup.com), requesting their data on the car — and posting it here?

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Steve

 

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2763649 original color Ceylon. The Tii on the assembly line after Vern. Was advertised for sale here on the FAQ back in 2011. Had been painted Schwarz and was in terrible condition. Entertained the thought of purchasing and restoring to have sequential VINS 2763648 & 49. 

 

Don't know if "49" sold, restored or no longer with us. 

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3 hours ago, adawil2002 said:

2763649 original color Ceylon. The Tii on the assembly line after Vern. Was advertised for sale here on the FAQ back in 2011. Had been painted Schwarz and was in terrible condition. Entertained the thought of purchasing and restoring to have sequential VINS 2763648 & 49. 

 

Don't know if "49" sold, restored or no longer with us. 

 

Thanks, Andrew,

 

And I have that yours was manufactured on March 20, 1973, and transferred to Hoffman Motors on March 23, 1973.  (I suspect you accidentally used the transfer date on the Registry entry.)

 

So VIN 2763649 is very possibly March 20 as well. I have absolutely no specific knowledge of 2763649 but...I visited Sports Car Restoration a little over two years ago. One of the car’s present, and in their queue for restoration or re-painting, was a factory Ceylon tii with a sketchy Schwarz paint job. Hmm...

 

Hey, you never know!

 

Thanks and best regards,

 

Steve

 

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1 hour ago, Conserv said:

 

Thanks, Andrew,

 

And I have that yours was manufactured on March 20, 1973, and transferred to Hoffman Motors on March 23, 1973.  (I suspect you accidentally used the transfer date on the Registry entry.)

 

So VIN 2763649 is very possibly March 20 as well. I have absolutely no specific knowledge of 2763649 but...I visited Sports Car Restoration a little over two years ago. One of the car’s present, and in their queue for restoration or re-painting, was a factory Ceylon car with a sketchy Schwarz paint job. Hmm...

 

Hey, you never know!

 

Thanks and best regards,

 

Steve

 

 

Correct on Vern's manufacture and transfer dates. I'll contact SCR, thanks!

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I think I may have posted on this thread before, but without the archive info. so here ya go: 

The BMW 2002 tii US VIN 2763102 was manufactured on November 22nd, 1972 and delivered on November 27th, 1972 to the BMW importer Hoffman Motors Corp. in New York City. The original colour was Polaris metallic, paint code 060.

The car is now in CA, with either Chamonix or some other white-ish paint.

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2761923  170,000mi.  Originally sold by salesman Bill Brecht who later became owner/ founder of Brecht BMW in Escondido,Ca.

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Conserv, had to search in the archives but I got this email back from them around Dec '06.

 

The BMW 2002 tii US VIN 2761076 was manufactured on February 22nd, 1972 and delivered on February 25th, 1972 to the BMW importer Hoffman Motors Corp. in New York City. The original colour was Chamonix, paint code 085.
 

coloincaalpine, so cool to have the window sticker !! I'm here in south San Diego. Carl Nelson does all the mechanical work on the car.

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