my new carpet

[esty]

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my new carpet set.....really nice....i order'd last tuesday morning and it was at my door friday afternoon...it's beautiful with perfect stitching...this place also sells the speckl'd carpet that was original to the o2....you can get either cut & sewn like mine or moulded for the same price of $168.00 plus shipping

sorry al, i really want'd to try your's but your only color choice offer'd just wasn't the right one for my car...maybe next time

[02Nut]

I'm curious about the overall fit of the carpet kit.

TIA

[esty]

I'm curious about the overall fit of the carpet kit.

TIA

the pieces i've laid in so far fit like a glove....

[jwcurry]

...now would that be like an OJ Simpson glove? If so, I don't know if I'd want that set. ;-)

Sorry....too much egg nog last night.

Happy Holidays everyone......

Jerry

[Zundfolge1342]

Looks nice, will have to post more pics when installed.

[jerry]

you quoted $168/set, but the website states $185/set. am i missing something in my admittingly quick glance?

your carpet looks very nice for the money.

[esty]

you quoted $168/set, but the website states $185/set. am i missing something in my admittingly quick glance?

your carpet looks very nice for the money.

my mistake...i didn't notice my typo...i meant to type $186.00...sorry.....

[AlCanuck]

No hige deal for me. I wish my mill would make a lighter beige carpet in nylon loop, but they don't.

Just curious though, does the set that covers 2002 from 1975-1979 fit you car OK? I was unaware that BMW built 02's from 75-79. Learn something new every day!

Al

[esty]

I was unaware that BMW built 02's from 75-79. Learn something new every day!

Al

sardonic?

as a matter of fact, yes, i ordered a set for a 76 with the 4 speed and you may not have seen one of my previous post here where i said the pieces i've laid in so far fit like a glove

the set was made to fit a 1976 bmw 2002....why shouldn't it fit...i doubt the place would be in business very long if they didn't know one model from another and just ship'd what they thought might work....do you?

nice looking carpet....don't you agree?

[AlCanuck]

Yes, just a bit sardonic.

Are you sure you want my opinion on how it looks as a set?

The kick panel piece is not going to fit, or look quite right, sorry. The back edge of it should have a flap, where it wraps around the pinch weld, and tucks under the welt. Without it, the piece will not sit flush on the panel, and will not look finished. Also, the bottom edge of that same piece should have sort of a tail coming off of it, so it can tuck under the sill plate.

Beyond that, having all the pieces fully bound is not only unneccessary, but will also cause a fitment problem. As the binding shrinks, it will cause the corners of the pieces to curl up. BMW did not bind their pieces completely, and either do I. Any trimmer worth his or her salt knows that. Take a look at an old set of floor mats. How many times have you seen them curl up? Yep, same thing will happen here.

What else? Well, the uncut pedal openings are not terribly nice. I learned a LONG time ago, that it makes for a much nicer set if we supply them already cut, and so we do. Hmmm, what else? Well, having all that underlay glued to the tunnel piece is going to be a hassle for sure. It will cause far too much bulk along the tunnel, beside the gas pedal. That is EXACTLY where an 02 cannot afford the extra bulk. On the same note, did your set come with a pad on the tunnel piece to stop your toe from wearing through the carpet?

Anyway, that's all I can see in those pics, but if you post pics of the rest of the set, I'm sure I can find more issues.

Here's the thing. Those guys, along with a few others have been selling 02 carpets longer than I have. In fact, I've installed a few sets from different suppliers. Sets like this one are EXACTLY why I started making them myself. I was NEVER happy with the others, and I would certainly not be happy with that set that you bought. I know that sounds mean and awful, but you asked.

I will give them credit for one thing, though. The colour is great. I sincerely wish I could get that colour from any of my suppliers. I have no less than 4 different textiles supply houses I use, and not ONE of them offers a loop carpet in that colour. Wish I knew who the mill was.

Al

[Guest Anonymous]

What color did you get? It looks in the pictures like the color that I want but I was trying to match it to the swatches on their web site and I don't see a match. Thanks

[esty]

What color did you get? It looks in the pictures like the color that I want but I was trying to match it to the swatches on their web site and I don't see a match. Thanks

....fawn/sandlewood #19-020

[esty]

ok guys...i got some mail from al accusing me of not answering his post to me about my rugs and wanting me to do so...i'd prefer to let al and my little personal issues die for now but because all of you guys love al & i don't want al to think i'm being rude or trying to dodge a bullet or anything like that...ok....

black = al

blue = esty

I wish my mill would make a lighter beige carpet in nylon loop, but they don't. you've stated several times on different boards how you're always "willing to work with someone on a custom cut carpet, a custom colour, or even something completely different"...then you stated "I would buy the same Sandlewood stuff that you bought. I do NOT have a source for it and offer what is easiest for me to buy".....

how then does that fit into working with someone on a "custom colour" ...that's a very common color from the majority of aftermarket retailers...i wouldn't expect anything that common would be considered custom anyway but run of the mill...but that point's moot....you can't deliver it anyway.....maybe i'm off my rocker but you if you can't deliver me a carpet set that's mass'd produced then you can't provide "custom colours", as advertised.....is my logic off here al or is it that you can provide "custom colours" that you stock or have access too....if that's the case, then you're understanding of providing something "custom" is slightly askew

Just curious though, does the set that covers 2002 from 1975-1979 fit you car OK? yes they do and thanks for asking...they fit very nicely and looks great now that everything's together

Are you sure you want my opinion on how it looks as a set?absolutely, otherwise i wouldn't have typed the question

The kick panel piece is not going to fit, or look quite right, sorry. maybe they screwd up al...it fits like it's supposed to and looks right...you think it might just be a fluke?The back edge of it should have a flap, where it wraps around the pinch weld, and tucks under the welt. Without it, the piece will not sit flush on the panel, and will not look finished. man o man....i've got to be a lucky girl...al it sits flush on the panel and looks like it's finished properly to me, thinking i might be wrong...i ask'd a few friends to look and it look'd finished to them too...are we missing something? Also, the bottom edge of that same piece should have sort of a tail coming off of it, so it can tuck under the sill plate. well...i don't know what to say...the damn thing went right under the sill plate...i guess you were right though...i did have to trim some excess off so it didn't hang out of the car, under the sill

Beyond that, having all the pieces fully bound is not only unneccessary, but will also cause a fitment problem. As the binding shrinks, it will cause the corners of the pieces to curl up. BMW did not bind their pieces completely, and either do I. well you got me on this one...no one seam's perfect do they...but hey man...i still love it, it looks great and fits great too...Any trimmer worth his or her salt knows that.if i can, i'll pass that message along to the place i bought them....they probaly don't know they have crappy trimmers working for them Take a look at an old set of floor mats. How many times have you seen them curl up? Yep, same thing will happen here. sorry, i don't have a set of cheap one's but i do have a set of coco mats that were in the cars about 15 years and they still look great to me, besides being darker in color, they aren't curled....should i try to curl them, if so, where? but i do have a set of inexpensive ones in my 92 lightning and they don't have curls...i just went out and look'd with my flashlight though...i'll check again tomorrow in the sunlight and get back with you if i missed one

What else? Well, the uncut pedal openings are not terribly nice. gee thanks al for tipping me off that they aren't nice...i tend to like a bit of imperfection though so maybe those ugly pedal openings'll grow on me I learned a LONG time ago, that it makes for a much nicer set if we supply them already cut, and so we do. Hmmm, what else? Well, having all that underlay glued to the tunnel piece is going to be a hassle for sure. It will cause far too much bulk along the tunnel, beside the gas pedal. That is EXACTLY where an 02 cannot afford the extra bulk. On the same note, did your set come with a pad on the tunnel piece to stop your toe from wearing through the carpet?thanks for the tip al....i'll try to find all that extra bulk in the underlay...it's gotta be there somewhere....you said so...right?...and toe stop...yep...it's there too

Anyway, that's all I can see in those pics, but if you post pics of the rest of the set, I'm sure I can find more issues. thanks al, i appreciate the professional feedback...i'll be sure to post a lot of pics when i get them permanently installed in the car and it's ready to be seen...and i look forward to you pointing out all other flaws or issues as you call them...thanks again al

Here's the thing. Those guys, along with a few others have been selling 02 carpets longer than I have. In fact, I've installed a few sets from different suppliers. Sets like this one are EXACTLY why I started making them myself. I was NEVER happy with the others, and I would certainly not be happy with that set that you bought. I know that sounds mean and awful, but you asked. sounds mean....no way dude....awful...you betcha...see al, the thing is, you aren't the one that has to be happy with mine or anyone else's rugs bought from someplace other than you....i didn't ask you if i could buy them there before i bought them and could give a rat's ass if you like them or not....it's my car, my rugs and i love them....ain't that what's important....not whether you ever liked them or not...and you're right, it's awful to think that anyone might think they must seek your approval before shopping....that's what it sounds like al...and yep, it does sound really awful of you to say that

I will give them credit for one thing, though. The colour is great. I sincerely wish I could get that colour from any of my suppliers. I have no less than 4 different textiles supply houses I use, and not ONE of them offers a loop carpet in that colour. Wish I knew who the mill was.here you go, again, you can't get a common, run of the mill color, so how are you gonna furnish "custom colours"

Al

al, if i missed anything please point them out and i'll try again

and i'm curious al....how long have you been doing this for yourself, if you don't mind my asking

[Guest Anonymous]

Esty you are nothing more than a message board troll! Just so you know what I mean by the word troll, I have taken the time to look it up for you in the Urban Dictionary.

Troll:

One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. She will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevance to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which she uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

Just so you know what an ad hominem argument is. It is a logical fallacy that involves replying to an argument or assertion by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself.

I have not seen you provide any helpful advice in these forums or on Bimmerforums.com. I have only seen you tell others that they are wrong. I really do not care if you can not stand the way C.D.iesel posts his messages on an internet forum. Guess what… learn to loosen up a little! NO ONE is going to change the way that they post on a message board, just because the great Esty tells them that their posting style bothers her. Nobody care’s! Hell I like all the remarkable pictures that C.D.iesel posts! They are splendid!

You also seem to be the bmw2002faq.com boards “Classifieds” mother. All you ever say in peoples for sale ads is

...you forgot to post the price and your location....2 key elements of a sale

Guess what! If someone is truly interested in an item that someone has for sale, and there is no price or location. THEY WILL ASK THE SELLER! The seller might have a reason for NOT posting their location! Have you ever considered that the seller might have just forgotten to post a price?

As for your bashing of Seams Perfect in your carpet thread….

You are not in the auto upholstery industry and have no idea what colours are commonly available. Seams Perfect lists more colours than World Upholstery, and Bimmer Parts Company.

if that's the case, then you're understanding of providing something "custom" is slightly askew

Cus•tom (k s t m)

adj.

1. Made to order.

2. Specializing in the making or selling of made-to-order goods

As far as the definition in the Dictionary I think that Al does provide custom carpets. All of his carpet sets are made to order and Al does specialize in the making and selling of made-to-order carpet sets. So I think that your understanding of the word “Custom” is slightly askew!

Just curious though, does the set that covers 2002 from 1975-1979 fit you car OK? yes they do and thanks for asking...they fit very nicely and looks great now that everything's together

I like how you do not even know what years BMW made 2002’s. BMW never EVER made a 1979 2002! You also did not get the correct carpet for your 1976 BMW 2002.

Multi piece carpet was installed in 1966 thru 1973 BMW 2002’s. In 1974 BMW started installing molded carpets in the 2002’s right thru to the end of production. The place where you bought your carpet kit list’s the multi piece carpet kit as original to 1975 thru 1979; it is only a 14 piece kit too. Guess what the original multi piece carpet installed in 2002’s is a 15 piece kit!

The place you bought your carpet is just a big crappy maker of generic carpet kits. They probably have never even seen the inside of a 2002, because if they had developed their own carpet kits they would know not to waste underlay on the center tunnel piece. The underlay does just as Al says when applied to the back of the center piece. It causes the gas pedal to get caught on the carpet. I do not like having gas pedals caught on carpet…but that maybe just me.

You seem to like buying the cheapest crap that you can get a hold of, so I hope that you never see what a $10,000 paint job looks like, or what a proper looking carpet kit looks like installed by professionals. I really do not think that you would even know what the difference’s are between a cheap ass macco paint job and an expensive paint job, because you are so narrow minded and stupid to even realize what the differences are!

Esty from me and many other people GET A BLOODY LIFE! Stop being such a useless cumsponge internet troll and disappear until you are actually able to handle criticisms and not bicker about every little one you get!

PS. I have actually installed a custom carpet kit made to order by Seams Perfect and have to say that it is actually the BEST Kit I have ever installed and It looks exponentially better than any kits sold by others for 2002’s.

[Zenon]

Esty you are nothing more than a message board troll! Just so you know what I mean by the word troll, I have taken the time to look it up for you in the Urban Dictionary.

So what's your real name then, tough guy? At least esty makes things interesting around here and she has indeed posted the odd tech tip (regarding painting, at the very least). What have you contributed? I guess we will never know since we don't know who you are.

You criticize ad-hominem attacks and yet manage to call her a pretty rank name yourself. To wit (and I only quote it here to prevent revisionism):

Esty from me and many other people GET A BLOODY LIFE! Stop being such a useless cumsponge internet troll and disappear until you are actually able to handle criticisms and not bicker about every little one you get!

Classy. No wonder you prefer to hide behind a guest login.

Nice use of colour, though.

Zenon