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Here is the difference between 2002's and Alfa GTV's

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Alfa had to modify the rear headliner to give about 1/2" more rear seat clearance to qualify it as a sedan-so the sedan/sportscar argument is a little gray at best. If the only thing that made the Alfa a "sedan" was a headliner mod-it seems more like a sports car to me...

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Steering wheel was equally huge.

2002 owners are just a different lot.

A do like looking at alfas though -I've been to the Concourso Italiano in Monterey a few times.

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You are criticising something you simply don't understand. Would you hotrod a Ferrari? They "don't get it" because they don't swap engines and upgrade the entire car to higher performance? An Alfa GTV isn't the kind of car that you hack up and/or modify extensively.

If you like modifying a car, good for you, or anyone else who does. A 2002 is an excellent choice. The cars are easy to find, are relatively inexpensive to buy and stock and performance parts are abundant. Car enthusiasts who like modifiying small family sedans have been around for decades, so it's nothing new.

I have a 2002 that is being modified extensively, and I own a stock GTV. Both are totally wonderful cars in their own rights. One is an apple and one is an orange. To criticize one (or their owners) in favor of another is just plain ignorant.

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To be more specific, I love the ability to taylor my 2002 to my specific desires. I can continue to tweak the performance of the car with ever-changing technology...all while keeping what I consider to be a beautiful, clean body (that I, personally, think looks better than a GTV, anyway). That's the beauty of an older car, specifically an old BMW, because the parts or so interchangeable. The newest part I have on my car just happens to be a Z3 shifter....how cool is that?!

I'm not bashing the purests here, be them BMW, ALFA or even Buick owners. It's great to find a car that nobody's "screwed up" by modifying in a way that you wouldn't want.

However, I Love the idea of continuous modification in the name of continually improving performance. This one can accomplish easily with a BMW 2002, but not an ALFA. There are soooooo many cool things to keep you busy modifying your 2002....which just happens to be a hobby to most of us.

The GTV is a fine car...as are many other vintage and new sportscars. I just love the ability to keep something beautiful alive and well by myself. And lets not forget the price issue....which is why many of us are modifyers to begin with. There's also no way that ALFA parts are as readily available as BMW stuff is. I don't know how much a great-conditioned GTV is, but I know how relatively little I've spent on my 2002 and I LOVE IT! If I had the dough, I suppose I could buy a vintage Porsche and kick a lot of ass, too. I just like the cost/benefit ratio of owning a 2002.

So don't take offense. It's not an ignorant opinion....and remember that it's just that; My opinion.

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Compare the HP/L and mean piston speed at rated power

2002 50hp/L 2888ft/min

2000 Alfa 75.4hp/L 3364ft/min

911s 77hp/L 3000ft/min

Farari F365 77hp/L 3173ft/min

The Alfa's mean piston speed is over the reasonable wear speed for a daily driver and to tune more HP out of it you are into the stratus phere on technology (we're talking Porche and Ferari high end technolgy for heaven sakes). Piston wear goes exponential at just a couple of percent higher speed than the Alfa uses. No wonder they sit around and polish their cars and drive only very ocationally while we drive our 02's every day for years and years and can't even remember when we last had to rebuild.

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When I first bought my 02 (which was my first car) my first purchase was a new set of hubcaps...then I found this msg board.

I think that it is just a primal drive to make something unreal. Personally I would never buy one of them "red only" sports cars for that reason. I would rather buy something like an 02 and dump 100 grand into it then buy a 100,000 ferrari. Just my 2 cents.

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I think you see a lot more GTVs vintage racing because they were raced more extensively in the states than the 02 was and they are more commonly accepted into the bigger and more authentic races ie. it is very rare to see an 02 at the monterey historics but GTVs are strewn about the paddock.

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