autokunst Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 One of the rear wheel cylinders recently blew out and leaked brake fluid sufficiently onto the shoes. I am replacing the cylinders, and would like to replace the shoes as well. The two options I am finding are the BMW Jurid shoes (part number 34211159580) which are sold EACH (per shoe), bringing the order total to around $160. Or I have read about people liking the shoes from Porterfield, R4-S. The whole set of (4) is $70. Is this too good a value? Any advice, experiences, and input welcome. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceAndrew Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I think you need to rearrange your perspective a bit. $160 is borderline insane (assuming you’re correct on it being per shoe, and that the ebrake lever is incorporated), the pricing reflects an out-of-alignment pricing algorithm and not a value judgement. $70 is still decently high for brake shoes, but much more inline with reality for a quality set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowbert Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Bluntech has a set for $70. I haven't yet done the rear brakes, so I don't have experience with the right shoes. BluntTech Industries • 2002 Brake Shoe Set WWW.BLUNTTECH.COM 230mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinz Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I just bought the Porterfield R4S shoes and pads for the '72 project. They've been hailed here as the go-to street compound for years. Good customer service, too. Ed Z 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionaut Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Go for the R4S… you’ll like them better than the OE compound. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autokunst Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, AceAndrew said: $160 is borderline insane (assuming you’re correct on it being per shoe, Agree - insane. I called the supplier and they said "I've never seen brake shoes sold in anything but pairs... Oh, I see this is a classic car, yes it appears they are sold each". Still not certain of anything other than that is crazy expensive. 19 minutes ago, AceAndrew said: and that the ebrake lever is incorporated) I doubt it. Is this something I need to look for? I assumed this order is just for "shoes". 17 minutes ago, slowbert said: Bluntech has a set for $70. Thank you for the link. Unfortunately, those are for a later 2002 at 230mm. I need to 200mm iteration that was in the earlier 1600-2, 1600ti's, and 2002s. I should have mentioned that my 1600-2 is a 1968. I can't find the 200mm on Bluntech's website. I admit I have trouble navigating that website... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autokunst Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 Okay, ordered the Porterfield R4-S. Fingers crossed... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceAndrew Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Small bit of proactive advice, confirm that they are 200mm's.... they are a bit of an odd-duck. (coming from an ex-supplier's perspective, I'd sell 20 sets of 230's to 1 set of 200's) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autokunst Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, AceAndrew said: Small bit of proactive advice, confirm that they are 200mm's.... they are a bit of an odd-duck. (coming from an ex-supplier's perspective, I'd sell 20 sets of 230's to 1 set of 200's) Confirmed - measured them yesterday. I think that was the standard rear drums on all '67 through '69 cars (all models, 1600-2, 1600ti, 2002). I am sure I have the exact dates wrong, but perhaps there were just fewer of the early cars relative to the larger quantities of later cars? Thanks! Glad you brought it up. It prompted me to check in with Porterfield to make sure they are sending the correct diameter/arc shoes. Edited August 25, 2022 by autokunst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorin Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Hopefully the arc of the 200mm shoes will be superior to the recent 230mm shoes I’ve seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autokunst Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, Lorin said: Hopefully the arc of the 200mm shoes will be superior to the recent 230mm shoes I’ve seen. Interesting. As measured empirically? Or based on a new/worn drum? The goal is for a precise fit! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorin Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, autokunst said: Interesting. As measured empirically? Or based on a new/worn drum? The goal is for a precise fit! ? The arc of the recent shoes I’ve seen is larger than the drums (even used ones) so that the shoes only contact on the tips of the shoe. Sometimes it holds the shoes far enough “in” that you cannot adjust them to not drag. The fix is to sand the shoes to allow more complete contact with the drum. Hopefully yours are different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autokunst Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Lorin said: Hopefully yours are different. I'll let you know once received. Porterfield just got back to me and acknowledged the 200mm shoe size (arc diameter). But they need to be "made up" which will take 5 to 7 business days. I have developed a list of "while I am in there" projects - I guess I just found more time to work on those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Marty Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, Lorin said: The fix is to sand the shoes to allow more complete contact with the drum. The best fix IMO is to take them to a brake shop and have them bend them to fit, There are several brake shops in the Milwaukie area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autokunst Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Son of Marty said: The best fix IMO is to take them to a brake shop and have them bend them to fit, There are several brake shops in the Milwaukie area. We don't know that I will need "a fix" just yet. Lorin was just sharing his experience with some 230mm shoes. Let's hope I don't need to find a local brake shop and ask them to bend my brand new brake shoes - ha ha. But I'll keep that idea in my hip pocket just in case. You never know when it will come in handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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