Turbo for sale on PCAR

[fastricky]

I'm no expert on turbos but this looks nice. And silver my fav.  TURBO LINK

[m6smitten]

That's a crazy turbocharger setup. Is it water-cooled or are those side inlets, oil? I do like the strut brace. anyone know who the manufacturer was?

[dlacey]

Seems like an legitimate car, i was confused by the side-repeaters on the rear quarters...maybe they were a DOT requirement on import to USA?. The UK reg checks-out as being licenced for 1 year 1985-1986. The sticker on the drivers door below the latch is something I've only seen on US-delivered cars before.

 

The water cooled turbo seems to get cooled water from top of rad and return it via a block tapping behind the turbo.

[Conserv]

On 2/27/2021 at 5:23 PM, dlacey said:

... The sticker on the drivers door below the latch is something I've only seen on US-delivered cars before....

 

+1

 

Agreed, Dave.

 

It appears to sit entirely on top of the repaint. And... this last version of the ‘02 era, marked with a “c” in the lower right corner, would have generally originally had the VIN and manufacturing date indicated with tiny round perforations (see my ‘76’s sticker below). The lack of either those perforations, or any evidence whatsoever of an inked VIN and manufacturing date, makes me believe this is an OEM “replacement” sticker on a car that never had one. Not knowing what the future held for my ‘76, I bought lots of spare OEM parts in 1983 (when I took the car out of daily-driver use), including all the stickers still available — and a blank identical to this was one of them. I believe whoever installed it post-repaint saw faded-ink analogous stickers and didn’t realize it needed to have a VIN and manufacturing date!

 

Its presence, entirely void of data, is meaningless on this particular car.

 

The car, overall, looks good. The seller’s offhand dismissal of of an enquiry about the engine number (“Korman said no one cares” and “the number is painted black”) put me off a bit. On a turbo, matching numbers is decidedly a meaningful attribute.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

[Conserv]

Perhaps not the original engine. The seller blew off requests to answer that question by saying the new black paint on the block obscured the engine number. Sounds like an insurmountable challenge to me... ??

 

VIN 4290633 should be a May 1974 build, per the RealOEM.com website (first photo below). The casting date on the block, however, appears to post-date May 1974. Although it is not entirely clear in the second photo below, the block’s casting date appears to be March 10, 1975 (“10C75”) and the head, a 121 — rather than a 121T — was cast in 1988 (third photo below).

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

[dlacey]

Website says sold at 106KUSD, i guess no 'originality premium'...

[Einspritz]

Regards to the sticker on the door jamb.

 

Usually, as is on mine, a metal sticker was placed there by the company who performed the Federalization on the then Grey Market cars. Included is the Company name who did the Federalization, the VIN, the weights, and tire size. And that is something that you never want to take off. I carry copies of all the documentation from the Federalization in the glove box "just in case", although the police have never asked for it. Have I got a story on that.......

 

In the end, the Company that Federalized my car went bankrupt and IIRC the owner went to jail for non-compliance. Not Allen Hardy, but just "up the road a piece". 1983 was in the "Wild Days" of importation.

 

As far as the engine, the likelihood is that it is a replacement short block using a 121 head. The potential problem is knowing whether the combustion chamber of the head was machined to the Turbo specific shape. I have made a cast of that shape in the event that I have to reproduce it on another head.

 

On 3/2/2021 at 5:45 AM, Conserv said:

The seller’s offhand dismissal of of an enquiry about the engine number (“Korman said no one cares” and “the number is painted black”) put me off a bit. On a turbo, matching numbers is decidedly a meaningful attribute.

 

Korman! The cognoscenti care and it is pertinent to the provenance of the car. Those who care will have this validated and it should be a part of the history book of the car. Not necessarily a deal breaker, but a value "adjustment" to some.

 

I have all the records from new on my car and even the correspondence between the owner and the dealer as to why he chose to replace the block rather than rebuild.....it was the cost.

 

On 2/27/2021 at 2:23 PM, dlacey said:

i was confused by the side-repeaters on the rear quarters...maybe they were a DOT requirement on import to USA?.

 

Those are not repeaters but just side markers required by the DOT for federalization that light up with the lights on. In the front, yellow reflectors were also required. I attached mine to the '73 front bumper so as not to drill more holes.

 

Since '74 cars were required to have "5 MPH bumpers" to pass DOT, we (the Federalization shop and me) decided that we could engineer steel box tubes to fit within the earlier bumpers and qualify for the 5 MPH status. After the car was signed off, I removed the front bumper and kept the rear with its fortification.

 

There was a long list of requirements that either were already in compliance (like the glass) and others (like door reinforcements) that had to be added. the Federal laws did not require SMOG inspection / certification, but California (don't call it Cali) did. I was the one who set the car up with vapor recovery and all the bits that a '74 Tii CA spec car had to pass the visual inspection. Then it took me many, many hours to get the %CO and HC values right in order to pass at the RPM/MPH requirements. That can be done, but not easily, partly because of the gearing.

I came to know that "Fuel" doesn't mean that it has to be gasoline. :)

Combustion is Chemistry!

But I digress........