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1973 2002 on BAT


MikeD

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It appears that the “re-body” is unambiguously presented in the paperwork that accompanies the car, provided you take the time to read it. On September 17, 1988, the car’s owner purchased a shell from The Auto Recycler of Rochester, NY:

 

”Purchase of Sornbren(?) Shell w/nose / repaint with Sikkens urethane”

 

The Auto Recycler would also be doing the swap of the mechanicals, with mechanicals from VIN 2588828 to be moved to the new shell, VIN 2534320:

 

“Use all Customer mech.”

 

And the timing for this re-body?

 

”will schedule your car in when shell is painted”

 

The cost for the shell, re-painted, is $2,900 (including paint materials), per this initial invoice (first photo below).

 

Although not labeled, the photos include — coincidentally? — an old photo of a freshly-re-painted shell (second photo below). Perhaps this is VIN 2534320, ready to acquire the mechanicals of VIN 2588828.

 

By March of 1989, the deed had been done, with amounts paid to The Auto Recycler of somewhat over $11,000 (third photo below).


Thus, chassis 2588828 disappeared into, presumably, rust or wreck history, and chassis 2534320, inappropriately, acquired a new name, mostly.
 

The original window sticker and records document a chassis that disappeared in early 1989. The records from that time onward document chassis 2534320 with the mechanicals of VIN 2588828.

 

Again, this is a beautifully-prepared and presented car. I am glad that it exists. But it is certainly not the VIN 2588828 that emerged from the factory on February 21, 1973.

 

Thus, that tidy “original” window sticker represents solely the mechanicals, not the chassis! ?

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

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1976 2002 Polaris, 2742541 (original owner)

1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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Most everything seems legit from where I sit. As was said, some people have money and would like a "finished car" that wins trophies, not a complete original they still. need to put $10k into... which we all know won't go very far to step up a pretty runner to this level. Do you truly think you'll get a 100% matching, straight, etc car for 15k or 20k and bring it to the perfection level people here demand for only 10k more?

Nobody seems to want anyone else to make money... until they do.

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On 11/28/2019 at 9:57 AM, theNomad said:

 

Most everything seems legit from where I sit....

 


Well...

 

An more “transparent” presentation — as opposed to a random sprinkling of the facts — would state: “This is a re-bodied car: the chassis of VIN 2534320 with the mechanicals of VIN 2588828.” This would allow those who clearly don’t want a re-bodied car, or a mis-titled car, to move on while allowing those who are happy with a re-bodied and mis-titled car to “bid on”!

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

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1976 2002 Polaris, 2742541 (original owner)

1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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3 hours ago, Conserv said:

Again, this is a beautifully-prepared and presented car. I am glad that it exists. But it is certainly not the VIN 2588828 that emerged from the factory on February 21, 1973.

 

A 253xxxx series VIN is for a roundie automatic.  VINs for '73 automatics run from 2533173 to 2534861 so at least 2534320 is a '73 shell--although it was (is?) an automatic.  I'm kinda surprised the original restorer didn't just swap the inner fender section with the stamped VIN--not that difficult a job and would have solved most of the problems that have arisen with the VIN confusion.

 

mike

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'73 Sahara sunroof-Ludwig-since '78
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43 minutes ago, Schon '02 said:

It baffles my why the car wasn’t registered with the stamped chassis VIN from the “donor” 2534320.

 

If the 2534320 was bought from a salvage yard, it's entirely possible that the title had been turned in by the yard operator.  Then either the yard or the purchaser would have had to go through a great deal of paperwork to obtain a title--and it would have been a salvage title.  Using the 258 VIN avoided all that rigmarole and avoided the SALVAGE stamped on the title.  

 

Having gone through obtaining an "assembled from parts" title here in Ohio, I can understand; I got it done, but it took a lot of paperwork, and a county clerk of courts who was sympathetic to vintage car restorers.  I did buy a car out of a junkyard in NY many years ago, but was fortunate in that the yard owner still had the title--from Florida--which as a Florida resident I was able to easily transfer.  

 

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'73 Sahara sunroof-Ludwig-since '78
'91 Brillantrot 318is sunroof-Georg Friederich 
Fiat Topolini (Benito & Luigi), Renault 4CVs (Anatole, Lucky Pierre, Brigette) & Kermit, the Bugeye Sprite

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It's relatively easy to make a car look pretty. It's a lot more difficult to make a car pretty AND correct.

Many people (on BaT?) are happy with the former and don't care that much about the latter.

 

Me? It's a really nice car with a loooooonnnng story.

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Thank you Steve for plowing through the mud and putting things in order.

 

Obviously the nose was a part of the ordeal, given the upper exposed seam on the final car.  The driver fender appears to sit a bit proud of the nose.

 

Neat (pretty) roundie, I like it.

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This car has been pampered by the previous owner and driven to multiple Vintage NC and PVGP events. Regardless of the number stamped into the fender cowl section, it's getting high bidding. I had the pleasure of driving this car about 2 years ago.

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