Need two early 13" steelies for widening, damaged fine

[jturner]

I need two of the early (slotted) 13" steelies.

 

I'm going to be rebarrelling them so the centers should be undamaged, but the lips can be bent or chipped or whatever. Prefer they aren't too rusty.

 

I'd prefer to buy them from one person so I don't pay for shipping 2x.

[Conserv]

7 hours ago, jturner said:

I need two of the early (slotted) 13" steelies.

 

 

Just to be clear, to which of the OEM rims below are you referring?

 

First photo: 1974-76 styled steel (5x13)

 

Second photo: 1966-73 steel (4 1/2x13 or 5x13)

 

The examples below are simply photos: I have neither for sale.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Conserv

['76mintgrün'02]

I have four of the early style (as seen in Steve's second photo).  Dated '72, iirc.  The lips have pitting where they meet the tires, but the centers are in good condition.  I have been wondering what to do with them and even asked Steve if he thought they had value to someone who wanted to widen them   I am wondering whether the widening process uses new outer barrels, or reuses the lips?

 

If there is a chance these will work for you, feel free to send me a PM and perhaps we can figure something out.

Tom

[Conserv]

1 hour ago, '76mintgrün'02 said:

....I am wondering whether the widening process uses new outer barrels, or reuses the lips?...

 

I believe it depends on the widening, and who does it, Tom. When it’s referred to as “banding,” it’s generally because they’ve cut the barrel, inserted a steel band to widen it, and then reassembled the barrel. But, in cases such as the present poster’s, they simply cut off the old barrel and weld a new barrel onto the old center disk.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Conserv

['76mintgrün'02]

Thanks Steve.  I guess I actually have five of them.  Three that are dated 3/73 and two from 4/71. All KPZ.

 

When we discussed this topic previously, I was wondering whether it would make sense for me to cut the barrels off prior to shipping.  They would obviously be lighter and smaller then.  Do you suppose the wheel shop would charge less if this step was already done?

Of course there is the question of what my time is worth.  (I dislike that question).

Tom

 

EDIT-- the wheel shop only accepts full wheels, not cut up ones.  I almost goofed up!

Edited March 20, 2019 by '76mintgrün'02

[jturner]

4 hours ago, Conserv said:

 

Just to be clear, to which of the OEM rims below are you referring?

 

 

Thanks Steve, these are the ones. 66-73, 4.5". I assume the 5" would work as well unless the centers are different.

[Conserv]

1 hour ago, jturner said:

 

Thanks Steve, these are the ones. 66-73, 4.5". I assume the 5" would work as well unless the centers are different.

 

Then I think Tom (‘76mintgrun’02) is your man!

 

As an aside, the 5” rims are “ti/tii rims”, much rarer and more valuable than the 4 1/2” versions.

 

Good answer!

 

So I’m curious: (a.) how wide?, and (b.) do you intend to run the OEM full wheel covers, the early “dog dish” hubcaps, or neither?

 

I ask partly because my idea of a “wildly restomodded” tii would have factory steel rims widened to 5 1/2”, OEM wheel covers, and everyone whispering, “Did he or didn’t he (widen those rims)?” ???There would be no other deviations from stock....?

 

Regards,

 

Steve

Edited March 20, 2019 by Conserv

[jturner]

1 hour ago, Conserv said:

 

Then I think Tom (‘76mintgrun’02) is your man!

 

As an aside, the 5” rims are “ti/tii rims”, much rarer and more valuable than the 4 1/2” versions.

 

Good answer!

 

So I’m curious: (a.) how wide?, and (b.) do you intend to run the OEM full wheel covers, the early “dog dish” hubcaps, or neither?

 

I ask partly because my idea of a “wildly restomodded” tii would have factory steel rims widened to 5 1/2”, OEM wheel covers, and everyone whispering, “Did he or didn’t he (widen those rims)?” ???There would be no other deviations from stock....?

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

I've seen your posts on the forum and that setup sounds on-brand!

 

I bought a set of Borrani 6.5s from Europe last year that never made it to me, so I'm going for a milder version of that look. 13 x 6.5", lowest offset that I can fit in the wheel well without flaring the fenders. Maybe they'll whisper "why didn't he just buy Borranis?"

[Conserv]

1 hour ago, jturner said:

 

I've seen your posts on the forum and that setup sounds on-brand!

 

I bought a set of Borrani 6.5s from Europe last year that never made it to me, so I'm going for a milder version of that look. 13 x 6.5", lowest offset that I can fit in the wheel well without flaring the fenders. Maybe they'll whisper "why didn't he just buy Borranis?"

 

Very cool.

 

Well, you can’t fit OEM hub caps or full wheel covers to Borrani’s! And with a 6.5” Borrani, you’re sort of stuck with ET8. With your custom set-up, you might be able to adjust the front and rear offsets to different, yet optimal numbers. And....no one else will be running 6.5” stock steelies...?

 

Where do all the lost (stolen?) Borrani’s go? I lost two 6”ers that made it from Germany to my local post office (in Atlanta), and then got lost in the 1.5 miles between the post office and my house. I always picture some not-that-bright thief stealing a heavy box marked “from Germany” and then discarding the rims when he discovers they are 45-year-old steel rims...

 

Good luck, keep us posted: we will need to see photos! ?

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Conserv

[jturner]

Borranis are certainly the most desirable undesirable wheel in history. Sadly I don't think mine ever existed to begin with. But I'm pretty happy I get to avoid major fender reworking...