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1600ti/2002ti Factory Images


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Although I’m unable to recall the source of this photo, I do believe it to be a factory photo of a 2002ti or 1600ti. The color, per the underhood sticker, is Granada.

 

I’m hoping some of you ti experts can help identify and date the car shown. Granada was available for the full term of ti production, so that won’t help us!


The front seat crumple zones were beefed up, ca. 1970, and lateral “valleys” were stamped into the inner fenders in front of the upper strut mounts, to encourage bending in “the right places” upon impact. The car shown does not have these lateral valleys, so must pre-date the crumple-zone update.

 

Notice also that the brake fluid reservoir mounts to the airbox mount and not to a separate reservoir mount. Does that feature make this an early car, or possibly a 1600ti?

 

I notice a similar arrangement on mich02’s 1968 1600ti, above (photos copied below for ease of reference).

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

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1976 2002 Polaris, 2742541 (original owner)

1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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On 12/23/2019 at 8:58 PM, Flunder said:

Steve

Here is an image of an old snap shot taken by camera as received  from a friend in Germany showing the engine of his ti.

 

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Thanks. And, similar to the two examples in my immediately-preceding post, the brake fluid reservoir mounts not to an independent brake reservoir bracket but to an enlarged version of the forward airbox bracket.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

  

1976 2002 Polaris, 2742541 (original owner)

1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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Steve

I've had that photo for 25 years but never recognized how the enlarged forward air box bracket of the 1600ti differed from the more familiar 2002ti mounting brackets until your initial post in this thread.

 

 Here is a nice image of a clean 2002ti example to illustrate the difference:

 

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On 1/1/2020 at 11:36 AM, Flunder said:

Steve

I've had that photo for 25 years but never recognized how the enlarged forward air box bracket of the 1600ti differed from the more familiar 2002ti mounting brackets until your initial post in this thread.

 

 Here is a nice image of a clean 2002ti example to illustrate the difference:

 

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It appears to me that “factory photos”, these classic and crisp black-and-white photos from the ‘60’s and ‘70’s, often accompanied new model (or sub-model) releases. Hence, I’m guessing the factory photo I recently posted (posted again below to avoid confusion) signified the introduction of either the 1600ti (September 1967) or the 2002ti (October-ish 1968). Do we have clear evidence of either?

 

Unfortunately, the “early style” fenders — pre-crumple zone valleys in the inner fenders — do not allow us to distinguish a late-1967 1600ti from a late-1968 2002ti. Are there other indicators?

 

What about remote power brake boosters? I was thinking that “plain old” 1600-2’s with the power brake option had remote boosters until February/March 1968. Did the early 1600ti’s (say, from September 1967 until February/March 1968) receive, essentially, a “later-style” booster, and BMW had not yet devised the separate bracket for the brake fluid reservoir? In that scenario, perhaps only the early 1600ti’s received the enlarged forward airbox bracket to support the reservoir.

 

Although I’d find it very convenient to view the enlarged forward airbox bracket as a tell-tale of a 1600ti, have we seen enough evidence to know that (a.) all 1600ti’s have the enlarged bracket; and (b.) no 2002ti’s have the enlarged bracket?

 

It seems we have sufficient 1600ti and 2002ti owners on the forum to quickly deny an “enlarged air box bracket for 1600ti’s” theory — if, for instance, a couple 2002ti’s also exhibit the feature or a couple 1600ti’s lack the feature — whether or not we have sufficient data points to conclusively prove the theory.

 

So... who has a ti with the enlarged front airbox bracket to hold the brake fluid reservoir? VIN? Manufacturing date?

 

Thanks and best regards,

 

Steve

 

 

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1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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Here are two 1600ti’s manufactured in 1967: VIN’s 1580677 (September-ish 1967) and 1582934 (December 8, 1967). Both have the enlarged front airbox brackets that double as brackets for the brake fluid reservoir.

 

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Steve

 

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1976 2002 Polaris, 2742541 (original owner)

1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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On 4/7/2019 at 10:23 PM, rey949 said:


... I have the 1600ti book that has a photo. I’ll post
 


Just a gentle reminder, Rey!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

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1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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Notice also that the brake fluid reservoir mounts to the airbox mount and not to a separate reservoir mount. Does that feature make this an early car, or possibly a 1600ti?
@Conserv - Steve, Happy New Year! I’ve been meaning to follow up on this. Below are some pictures of a 1600ti... one is from a 1600ti owners manual and the others are from one that I am more familiar with ([emoji12]). As you can see the brake reservoir is attached to the elongated air filter canister mounting bracket like you mentioned.

Whether this was a 1600ti feature, an early car thing, or an early car “depending on who was cutting metal for air intakes that day” thing, I could not say, buts it’s looking like it could be a 1600ti thing for sure!

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Thanks, Todd.

 

And a Happy New Year to you as well!
 

I’d still like to identify the date of the factory photo I posted. Looking a bit more closely, I see that one of the underhood stickers — the fuse key — has “BMW 1600-2 /BMW 2002” in its title, which points to a date in or after January 1968, when regular 2002 production commenced.

 

And could that sticker between the the fuse holder and the left upper strut mount — tire pressure instructions — start with “1600 TI”, as on 1600ti, VIN 1582934 (3rd photo)? Probably just wishful thinking! ?


Best regards,

 

Steve

 

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1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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And could that sticker between the the fuse holder and the left upper strut mount — tire pressure instructions — start with “1600 TI”, as on 1600ti, VIN 1582934 (3rd photo)? Probably just wishful thinking! [emoji848]

@Conserv - the 1600ti in the photos I posted (VIN 1584745) was born on January 29, 1968. Below is the sticker, in French, that was affixed for the tire pressure instructions. As you can sort of make out it began with “1600 TI” as you suspected!

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Here is the sticker for the fuses/oil change info... also “en Français”!

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And, on the topic of the front airbox bracket serving double-duty as a bracket for the brake fluid reservoir:

 

VIN 1583231 (manufactured December 13, 1967), a Brazilian delivery, also has the double-duty bracket, consistent with, at minimum, early 1600ti’s.  We need more examples to determine whether this is a “1600ti” feature, or an “early 1600ti” feature.

 

We learn a little with each ti we see!

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

 

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4 hours ago, Conserv said:

From an August 1968 factory brochure, a photo of a 1600ti engine compartment... er... “power unit”.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

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I question the application (stock photo) due to the NK style of throttle linkage and straight (not angled) air inlet tubes on the carburetors.

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35 minutes ago, jgerock said:

I question the application (stock photo) due to the NK style of throttle linkage and straight (not angled) air inlet tubes on the carburetors.


Well, Jim,

 

You’re going to have to take it up with the BMW marketing guy who created the brochure 52 years ago: he had no idea that “ti authorities” would be checking his work.... ?

 

Thanks for weighing in! So, given the August 1968 date of the brochure, what’s your best attribution: 2000ti? (It’s got an alternator, not a generator, so it’s a 12-volt application.)

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

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