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Question about center console ash tray

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Quick question.  I pieced together a center console and ashtray from separate sources, and the plastic face of the ashtray is larger than the hole, meaning it doesn't sit flush.  Is this how it's supposed to be?  Were there different versions of these parts from year to year?  Some quick Google Image sleuthing shows both flush and non-flush examples, but what's actually correct?

 

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Not sure about a '73, but your picture is correct for a square-tail (my '76).

 

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Were any of 'em flush?  I know the ashtrays on the short console roundies have metal faces, covered in black vinyl with chrome trim around the edge of the ashtray front, and a chromed metal pull handle. The ashtray front sits above the face of the console, not flush.

 

When the factory switched to the long consoles in 1971, the ashtray front was changed to plastic with a plastic/brushed chrome handle and black background with no edge trim.  It also sat proud of the console face.  Wasn't that same setup used on squarelights?

 

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I should preface this thread by saying I’m not really concerned with being 100% factory correct, I’m just curious.

 

It does seem odd that the factory would have multiple versions of this relatively trivial part. But I believe other components in the center console changed between roundies and square tails (the shift surround comes to mind). 

 

Here are two photos (not mine) that seem to show a flush ashtray:

 

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It it appears the actual ashtray is smaller, not the cutout in the faceplate. 

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The only flush-fitting ashtrays I recall on my own ‘02’s are on the early dashboards that have chrome fascia trim: U.S.-spec cars through October-ish 1967, Euro-spec cars until April 1971.

 

The first photo is from a July 1967 1600-2 brochure, illustrating the flush ashtray on dashboards with chrome fascia trim. The second photo is from a May 1968 1600/2002 brochure, illustrating the second type of ashtray, metal, but no longer flush. Yours is the third type, and is used until the end of 2002 production. The third photo shows my ‘76 (the Clardy air conditioning system uses the car’s original flasher/ashtray/green button panel). The latter is the third type of ashtray I can recall.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

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11 hours ago, grotflo said:

I should preface this thread by saying I’m not really concerned with being 100% factory correct, I’m just curious.

 

It does seem odd that the factory would have multiple versions of this relatively trivial part. But I believe other components in the center console changed between roundies and square tails (the shift surround comes to mind). 

 

Here are two photos (not mine) that seem to show a flush ashtray:

 

stereo.jpg&key=5fdcad8e26c8eda1627910910

 

post-13759-13667606739556.jpg

 

It it appears the actual ashtray is smaller, not the cutout in the faceplate. 

 

Odd. Those aren’t even flush. They’re inset.

 

I don’t know if it’s meaningful, but the second console example is assembled with non-stock fasteners. Has it been repaired, modified, or customized?

 

Were there aftermarket or replacement console components that didn’t adhere to the factory’s original specifications?

 

The shift surrounds, indeed, went from those lush rubberized vinyl(?) units to cheap plastic with the switch to square taillights.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

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Hmmm.  I took today off to get a bunch of stuff done before the weekend, but I had 

to immediately suspend and head into the garage  to look into this burning issue.  (Don’t tell my wife.)  On my ‘72 and ‘74 (both unrestored projects) the ashtrays are identical, save the handle on the ‘72 seems to be a true chrome as shown on the left below, whereas in the 74, it is anodized, I believe.  The each have a roundel and the same number on the back, 1 808 534.  In both cars, they sit flush.

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The plot thickens.  Hope the concours judges are taking notes.  I have to say, at first I thought the non-flush look was strange, but an upside is that it helps conceal the uneven gap around the edges of the flush versions.  Fifty years of wear and tear make that inevitable.

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FWIW here is the ashtray that came with my Nov '73 Touring; it sits flush. BTW it is my cars birthday - manufactured Friday 9th November, 1973.

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So....at this point, we don’t have sufficient data to sort flush vs. overlay by year.

 

Flush — based on my experience with wood and cabinetry — is hard to do well.  Overlay conceals a lot of....inaccuracies and inconsistencies.

 

I can’t imagine why BMW used both. Maybe with more examples (including VIN and manufacturing date) we can get a better sense of whether this change is a function of date, or random, based, for instance, on different suppliers.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

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3 hours ago, 02Les said:

BTW it is my cars birthday - manufactured Friday 9th November, 1973.

Properly slapped on the rear when it comes off the line gives it a lot more acceleration throughout it's life.

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8 minutes ago, PaulTWinterton said:

73, Nov 72 mfg, flush.

 

74 Turbo Flush

 

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38 minutes ago, jimk said:

Properly slapped on the rear when it comes off the line gives it a lot more acceleration throughout it's life.

Not allowed to do that anymore.....so I've been told.😉

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2 hours ago, 02Les said:

Not allowed to do that anymore.....so I've been told.😉

I slap my 02 before i get in it to make it go!

 

Soon you won't see  jockeys whipping their steeds on in a race either.

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