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66 1600 in Boxes : Update : Photos - Rolling Shell


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I have posted about this car before.  One owner, SC car, owner contemplating selling.  Been in pieces in a body shop for several years.  Owner has engine and transmission in TX, and will re-united in the near future.  I got a good peak at it today with my son.  Any and all comments on originality / scope / and my mental health welcome.  

 

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Known, to my knowledge level, things that are not original : non-textured hood trim, dashboard covering, rear seat material, been changed to 12 volt, wheel on rolling chassis  

 

 

 

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David,

 

I’m sorry, but this chassis did not start life as a 1966, or 1967.  Definitely not a ‘66 because the panel over the heater is post-‘66, with a cut-out for a center hood latch.  And not a ‘67 either because I don’t see the triangular cut-outs in the trunk-backseat bulkhead found in ‘66 and ‘67 models.  We have evidence of the bulkhead cut-outs at least into September 1967 (U.S. 1968 model).

 

In my opinion, the chance that someone swapped out the original panel over the heater and closed the bulkhead holes is slim....and Slim just left town!

 

Below, a photo of a ‘66 panel over the heater and two photos of the ‘66-‘67 triangular cut-outs in the. trunk-backseat bulkhead.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

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1976 2002 Polaris, 2742541 (original owner)

1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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1 hour ago, Conserv said:

David,

 

I’m sorry, but this chassis did not start life as a 1966, or 1967.  Definitely not a ‘66 because the panel over the heater is post-‘66, with a cut-out for a center hood latch.  And not a ‘67 either because I don’t see the triangular cut-outs in the trunk-backseat bulkhead found in ‘66 and ‘67 models.

 

In my opinion, the chance that someone swapped out the original panel over the heater and closed the bulkhead holes is slim....and Slim just left town!

 

Below, a photo of a ‘66 panel over the heater and two photos of the ‘66-‘67 triangular cut-outs in the. trunk-backseat bulkhead.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

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I guess we know where that cut-out VIN plate went on the donor car now...

Makes sense. Having a '66 donor car to match your 66 restoration project is just too fishy.

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1 hour ago, Conserv said:

David,

 

I’m sorry, but this chassis did not start life as a 1966, or 1967.  Definitely not a ‘66 because the panel over the heater is post-‘66, with a cut-out for a center hood latch.  And not a ‘67 either because I don’t see the triangular cut-outs in the trunk-backseat bulkhead found in ‘66 and ‘67 models.

 

In my opinion, the chance that someone swapped out the original panel over the heater and closed the bulkhead holes is slim....and Slim just left town!

 

Below, a photo of a ‘66 panel over the heater and two photos of the ‘66-‘67 triangular cut-outs in the. trunk-backseat bulkhead.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve,

 

Thanks so much, your knowledge and eye for these details far, far exceeds mine.  I do know the shop did perform some welding... but like you say - that both the heater panel and bulkhead holes were changed are way slim.  

 

The shop guy seems pretty straight up, but... I will also see what the owner says when asked.  

 

On the other hand, there are many things which are either not "correct" for a '66 or done poorly (trim, wheels, dash, rear seat material, 12 volt, etc.).  On the other hand, I do like the simple starkness and the color.  What is there appears clean, straight, and solid, though I haven't seen underneath.  

 

My son joked that it would make a good sleeper / hot rod'd car - dropping a M3 motor into it, or a built '02 motor with an upgraded suspension and and brakes.  Oh the possibilities.  

 

I'll need to check with the owner, the history, the shop again, and weigh what that 1600 VINless hulk has to do with everything too.  

 

any other eagle-eyed observations are always welcome (she ain't my baby yet, so you can feel free to call her ugly)

 

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David,

 

I believe there is a Bristol ‘66 here, but it’s the gutted shell sitting outside.  Whether or not it is the source for the freshly-painted chassis’s VIN, we may never know for certain.  But it’s a ‘66 chassis, and it certainly appears to be an original Bristol car.  The odds of the freshly-painted "re-bodied" '66 also being a Bristol car -- and not related to the gutted shell standing nearby -- has to be one in a few thousand.  So is the gutted shell restorable?  You’d have to evaluate it for rust and evidence of past damage.

 

If you haven’t committed Anders’ ‘66 Bible to memory, anyone contemplating the purchase of a ‘66, or even a ‘67, probably should:

 

http://02forum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8603

 

The freshly-painted chassis, i.e., the re-bodied Bristol ‘66, is probably a suitable vehicle for an engine swap, or whatever....  But make certain it comes with a valid title!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

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1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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14 minutes ago, Conserv said:

I believe there is a Bristol ‘66 here, but it’s the gutted shell sitting outside.  Whether or not it is the source for the freshly-painted chassis’s VIN, we may never know for certain.  But it’s a ‘66 chassis, and it certainly appears to be an original Bristol car.  Restorable?  You’d have to evaluate it for rust and evidence of past damage.

 

If you haven’t committed Anders’ ‘66 Bible to memory, anyone contemplating the purchase of a ‘66, or even a ‘67, probably should:

 

http://02forum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8603

 

The freshly-painted chassis, the one that bears the VIN from a Bristol ‘66, is probably a suitable vehicle for an engine swap, or whatever.  Make certain it comes with a title!

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

My mind is certainly starting to go that way.  I've browsed the UK forum / 1600 Bible before, but not committed it to memory... yet.  I think the site / form is down right not, just getting a bad gateway error.

 

For the right price and with a clean title, yeah I might be tempted to just take the vagrancies and drop a stonking motor into her with a good suspension and call it a day.  

 

The "hulk" has rust, holes, dents, and is missing more that it actually has.... so that one's probably a goner.  

 

 

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My favorite, a 500 hundred dollar car. Build it, put it on BAT with 4 license plate lights and retire!

Happy Trails to u~ Dave Miller
76 Golf~Rhiannon~BM Mascot~*~97 328is~Silver Ghost~*~68 1600~Wisperin Beast~*~70-02~Bumble Beast~*~76 02~Beast~

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David,

 

I’m sorry, but this chassis did not start life as a 1966, or 1967.  Definitely not a ‘66 because the panel over the heater is post-‘66, with a cut-out for a center hood latch.  And not a ‘67 either because I don’t see the triangular cut-outs in the trunk-backseat bulkhead found in ‘66 and ‘67 models.

 

In my opinion, the chance that someone swapped out the original panel over the heater and closed the bulkhead holes is slim....and Slim just left town!

 

Below, a photo of a ‘66 panel over the heater and two photos of the ‘66-‘67 triangular cut-outs in the. trunk-backseat bulkhead.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

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Steve,

You mention only the 66-67 cars having the triangular cutouts in the back seat area, but my 68 also has those same cutouts. I wonder when they stopped?

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4 hours ago, Lorin said:

 

 

Steve,

You mention only the 66-67 cars having the triangular cutouts in the back seat area, but my 68 also has those same cutouts. I wonder when they stopped?

 

Hi, Lorin,

 

I don’t know the cut-off VIN either.  I’m guessing it’s possibly between September 1 and December 31, 1967, so it may well be in the 1968 U.S model year.  I don’t believe we’ve noted any 2002’s with the bulkhead cutouts.  The 2002 went into actual production in January 1968, which is why I’m positing that the cutouts may have been gone by the end of the 1967 calendar year.

 

What is your car’s manufacturing date?  Let’s see how long the cutouts lasted....

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

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1976 2002 Polaris, 2742541 (original owner)

1973 2002tii Inka, 2762757 (not-the-original owner)

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54 minutes ago, Conserv said:

 

Hi, Lorin,

 

I don’t know the cut-off VIN either.  I’m guessing it’s possibly between September 1 and December 31, 1967, so it may well be in the 1968 U.S model year.  I don’t believe we’ve noted any 2002’s with the bulkead cutouts.  They began actual production in January 1968, which is why I’m positing that the cutouts may have been gone by the end of the 1967 calendar year.

 

What is your car’s manufacturing date?  Let’s see how long the cutouts lasted....

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

Mine was built September 13, 1967

 

 

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