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Where Can An M10 Turbo Kit Be Found?


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So I've seen a lot of mention of some M10 turbo kits for BMW 2002s. But I've searched the internet and come up with nothing. Can somebody tell me where I can find these kits, and maybe post some links. If there are no more available turbo kits, what would be needed to make one by myself?

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I've seen several on eBay but can't vouch for them in any way.   

Here is an earlier discussion on the forum: 

Complete Turbo kit?

 

And here is a quick scan of eBay:

Turbo stuff on eBay.

 

Good luck and let us know what you find!

 

Scott

Current: '74 2002,75 2002, 88 E28 M5(2), 92 E34 M5, 02 E39 M5, 01 E39T M5, 08 E93 328i, 08 E61 535i, 09 E93 335i, 09 E91 328ix, 12 E70 3.5i  '67 Alfa Romeo Spider; '69 Alfa Romeo Spider, '08 Dodge 1500 SLT. Past BMWs: '74 2002tii, '74 2002, '76 E12 530i, '78 E12 528i, '85 E28 535is, '93 E34 528iT, '94 E34 528i, '99 E36 328ic (2) '99 E39 528iT, '03 E46 330i convt., '07 E90 328i

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Dude,  I would not even attempt to do that and I'm a pretty experienced restorer.  This is not something you can do cheaply or as a DIY as one wrong setting or adjustment can cook your engine or blow it up if you over-rev.   Personally, I think you would be far better off buying a later turbo engine that already has the electronics and adapting it or at least finding a later engine that is more commonly turbocharged.    

 

We are on a site with a whole lot of BMW 2002 experience.  Let's wait to see if anyone has done what you want to do.   Maybe somebody has.  :-)  

Current: '74 2002,75 2002, 88 E28 M5(2), 92 E34 M5, 02 E39 M5, 01 E39T M5, 08 E93 328i, 08 E61 535i, 09 E93 335i, 09 E91 328ix, 12 E70 3.5i  '67 Alfa Romeo Spider; '69 Alfa Romeo Spider, '08 Dodge 1500 SLT. Past BMWs: '74 2002tii, '74 2002, '76 E12 530i, '78 E12 528i, '85 E28 535is, '93 E34 528iT, '94 E34 528i, '99 E36 328ic (2) '99 E39 528iT, '03 E46 330i convt., '07 E90 328i

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I am back and forth on turbo or an M42.  Both seem like a pain in the A$$ (and I do mean dollar signs).  If you are putting 200+BHP in a go-cart, you gotta think cage, larger brakes etcc.. At that point, it becomes less of an 02 and more of a monster.  The feedback I have seen is that they are fiddly and require constant attention so as to not inadvertently blow up ( or more to the point meltdown).

 

I am thinking a good higher compression/ larger bore (possibly stroker) with a good modern mainstream fuel injection setup (still waiting for that) would be better.  A 130 to 150 HP NA motor would be a ton of fun and good for every day, and maybe a little track time.

 

Just my two cents.  

  

"Goosed" 1975 BMW 2002

 

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Jakeb does turbos on m42s and installs them on 02s. There are a few of those cars on this board. The issue with Turboing an M10 is to do it well you need electronic fuel injection. Then the motor has to be built for boost. So lower compression and stronger internals.  Neither of those things are cheap. You can’t reliably just plop a turbo on a carbed or mechanical fuel injected car. So even if you get a “kit” which will probably be a turbo of some sort, an exhaust manifold to bolt it to and maybe inter cooler plumbing they don’t include fuel injection systems, engine management computers, tuning and install. And like I said if you boost a high compression engine it’s easy to blow it up....

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I've never done this to an '02, but I've added superchargers, and done some resto-mods before on other marques.  

 

I think you're getting some good advice here.  IMO (which doesn't mean much) an '02 isn't really good candidate for an "on the cheap" resto mod.  You could add a turbo to an M10, but why?  Just sitting here quickly thinking through the trouble of placing the turbo/intercooler/plumbing bothers me.  It's easy enough to deal with mega squirting the thing, but you'll end up modifying every single system (exhaust, intake, even the gauges.).  I'd rather do all the fab work involved in swapping in something out of and e30, which would probably be more fun in the end anyway.  

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No such thing as a kit for a 2002. That eBay stuff is just some piping, couplers, an exhaust manifold, and a no-name turbo. If you’re lucky, some of it might even be usable.

 

The fabrication required for both the efi and the turbo system were beyond my abilities, but for those of us near Seattle, we’re lucky to have a local resource (Patrick @ Midnight Motorsport) that thoroughly enjoys these projects. I entrusted my car to him 18 months ago for the EFI conversion, drove it for around a year over several thousand miles and 8-10 track days, then this past spring/summer, he added the turbo to my stock, mileage unknown, engine. 

 

A patient, capable DIYer could do the efi. Many have, and with some searching here, you should be able to dig up some great info. Tom offers some bits for sale to help you along.

 

http://www.02again.com/

 

A good guide to get you up to speed on efi;

 

http://www.zeebuck.com/bimmers/tech/Megasquirt/megasquirt.html

 

For the turbo, the exhaust manifold (there are premade options), exhaust system, intercooler, all intake, oil, and exhaust plumbing, had to be fabricated. Probably beyond the abilities of most DIYers. There are a few diy threads and blogs here, with mixed results. 

 

Done on the cheap and poorly tuned; yeah, it’s probably a ticking time bomb. Done right, it’s a great alternative to an S14 swap, and probably cheaper (though not by much).

 

Don’t go too crazy with boost, and a stock engine will hold up just fine. My car is the third turbo Patrick has built. The other two have been running for a couple years now. Personally, I have over 1,000 miles on the car since I got it back, with two track days so far. Aside from a broken exhaust hanger, no issues to date. 

 

Dude- I don’t know anything about your background and experience, so won’t discourage, or encourage you from pursuing this on your own. Just be prepared for nearly everything to be custom, or to require modification, with a healthy budget, or a lot of knowledge/skill and time.

 

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Green is 7psi and red is 10psi. I keep it at 10 psi just about full time, but drop to 7 for rain.

 

Eventually, I’ll have the engine rebuilt and will add the forged pistons, arp head studs, and other precautions most would recommend for any turbo engine build, and then I could add more boost. But honestly, my rebuild efforts will probably focus more on the top end (cam, head porting, bigger valves) to extend the usable power beyond 5500. The low and mid range torque is plenty for a 2,300lb car. And most of the drivetrain will be on borrowed time much beyond 200lbft of torque anyhow. That’s a can of worms I don’t want to open just yet.

 

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1974 2002 - Megasquirt and turbo

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22 minutes ago, dude54 said:

Thank you for all your inputs, I will take a look at my options. Lets say I wanted to build a classic track car (which is what i wanted to do with the 2002). which car would be best to base it on?

 

Someone with more motorsports experience than me will chime in soon but my advice would be:

 

1) Find the right Motorsport first for you

2) watch the racing and see which cars are the most competitive/ reliable etc

3) read the rule book of the sanctioning body. Pick a competitive and rule legal configuration. 

4) Talk to some folks running those cars

5) Think about buying one / building one. 

 

A turbo bolted on to an otherwise stock engine is going to have to have problems in terms of legality, competition and / or reliability in a lot of different race classes. 

rtheriaque wrote:

Carbs: They're necessary and barely controlled fuel leaks that sometimes match the air passing through them.

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2 hours ago, Simeon said:

 

Someone with more motorsports experience than me will chime in soon but my advice would be:

 

1) Find the right Motorsport first for you

2) watch the racing and see which cars are the most competitive/ reliable etc

3) read the rule book of the sanctioning body. Pick a competitive and rule legal configuration. 

4) Talk to some folks running those cars

5) Think about buying one / building one. 

 

A turbo bolted on to an otherwise stock engine is going to have to have problems in terms of legality, competition and / or reliability in a lot of different race classes. 

I've already picked out a bunch of parts to make the engine turbo ready, but I just need to find the kit

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classic track car

 

I just need to find the kit

 

then you don't want a turbo.

 If you want more power than a reliable, modified M10,

look at swaps.

 

As Bento says, I shall reiterate:

 

There are no kits.

 

t

 

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No such thing as a kit for a 2002. That eBay stuff is just some piping, couplers, an exhaust manifold, and a no-name turbo. If you’re lucky, some of it might even be usable.
 
The fabrication required for both the efi and the turbo system were beyond my abilities, but for those of us near Seattle, we’re lucky to have a local resource (Patrick @ Midnight Motorsport) that thoroughly enjoys these projects. I entrusted my car to him 18 months ago for the EFI conversion, drove it for around a year over several thousand miles and 8-10 track days, then this past spring/summer, he added the turbo to my stock, mileage unknown, engine. 
 
A patient, capable DIYer could do the efi. Many have, and with some searching here, you should be able to dig up some great info. Tom offers some bits for sale to help you along.
 
http://www.02again.com/
 
A good guide to get you up to speed on efi;
 
http://www.zeebuck.com/bimmers/tech/Megasquirt/megasquirt.html
 
For the turbo, the exhaust manifold (there are premade options), exhaust system, intercooler, all intake, oil, and exhaust plumbing, had to be fabricated. Probably beyond the abilities of most DIYers. There are a few diy threads and blogs here, with mixed results. 
 
Done on the cheap and poorly tuned; yeah, it’s probably a ticking time bomb. Done right, it’s a great alternative to an S14 swap, and probably cheaper (though not by much).
 
Don’t go too crazy with boost, and a stock engine will hold up just fine. My car is the third turbo Patrick has built. The other two have been running for a couple years now. Personally, I have over 1,000 miles on the car since I got it back, with two track days so far. Aside from a broken exhaust hanger, no issues to date. 
 
Dude- I don’t know anything about your background and experience, so won’t discourage, or encourage you from pursuing this on your own. Just be prepared for nearly everything to be custom, or to require modification, with a healthy budget, or a lot of knowledge/skill and time.
 
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Green is 7psi and red is 10psi. I keep it at 10 psi just about full time, but drop to 7 for rain.
 
Eventually, I’ll have the engine rebuilt and will add the forged pistons, arp head studs, and other precautions most would recommend for any turbo engine build, and then I could add more boost. But honestly, my rebuild efforts will probably focus more on the top end (cam, head porting, bigger valves) to extend the usable power beyond 5500. The low and mid range torque is plenty for a 2,300lb car. And most of the drivetrain will be on borrowed time much beyond 200lbft of torque anyhow. That’s a can of worms I don’t want to open just yet.
 


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...but not on the track, unless you're really a scientist.

Who is ready to replace blown- up things.  Like pistons...

 

I think it's really quite like diy rocket science.  And most

end up, one day or another, looking like a diy rocket.

 

There was a Mustang locally that had a pair of turbos in the

fenderwells that were slightly larger than big coffee cans.

It sounded wonderful.  It ran seldom...

I asked the guy about his motivation once.  His reply?

"I've read far too much Racecar Engineering!"

 

t

 

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11 minutes ago, TobyB said:

...but not on the track, unless you're really a scientist.

Who is ready to replace blown- up things.  Like pistons...

 

I think it's really quite like diy rocket science.  And most

end up, one day or another, looking like a diy rocket.

 

There was a Mustang locally that had a pair of turbos in the

fenderwells that were slightly larger than big coffee cans.

It sounded wonderful.  It ran seldom...

I asked the guy about his motivation once.  His reply?

"I've read far too much Racecar Engineering!"

 

t

 

 

I guess I’m going to be testing this theory of yours, and I’m no scientist. I don’t think Patrick would claim to be either.

 

Two track days in, for a total of roughly 4 hours on track, and nothing has blown up yet.

 

I expect to do a dozen or more track days next year, mostly in the 2002. I’m humble enough to report back if/when something blows up.

 

I’m planning to build a fresh engine next winter.

 

Maybe I’ll be building it sooner.

 

I’m prepared for something to eventually blow up.

 

That fresh engine, built properly for boost, will cost more than I paid for the car.

 

So I guess your warning is fair.

Brent

1974 2002 - Megasquirt and turbo

2018 BMW M2/ 2013 Porsche Cayenne Diesel

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