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In the engine pic with the turbo, you can see a large round hole in the nose panel to the right and slightly lower than where the "snorkel" hole would be, intake air to the air box. No other 02's had that feature. Could have been added, but position is near perfect in photo.

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Very interesting car. Bet working on the right side of the engine bay is tough with the turbo, steering box and a/c compressor.  How are the a/c lines routed? Any different than a typical 2002?   What do you mean by rear strengthening on the body? Are you referring to the area above the gas tank?

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2 hours ago, jgerock said:

VHow are the a/c lines routed? Any different than a typical 2002?   What do you mean by rear strengthening on the body? Are you referring to the area above the gas tank?

 

I cant yet comment on the AC system, its not one of the US-market FrigiKing things, I am guessing its local asian installation. The heater aperture is blanked-off and the AC pipes pass thru the old heater hose holes in the bulkhead.

 

The strengthening i am talking about is directly above the final drive, in front of the fuel tank ...as on this car:

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borrowed from: http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/bmw/248812-bmw-2002-turbo-1974-absolutely-mint-german-car-5-speed-dogleg-100-restored.html

 

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All,

Today I got a chance to see the car's documentation: i need to correct one of my earlier posts as it's early history is a bit more interesting!

 

The car was first registered in Malaysia in January 1975, BMW tells me it was shipped to UK in July 1974. It takes 5-6 weeks to ship something from UK to Asia and 2-4 weeks for customs clearance (probably longer back then), so it only spent 3-4 months in UK...I still believe the RHD conversion was done during this short period. So *maybe* the car was ordered by a Malaysian and converted special order by BMW UK?? Or *maybe* a Malaysian ordered it, had it converted and registered it in UK and then later did a personal shipment. Only other scenario might be that someone paid for the RHD conversion and after driving it for a few weeks decided to sell it on. [There's no documents prior to Malaysian registration, so this is supposition]

 

I earlier said that it was first registered in Singapore, that was word of mouth from the owner...the docs show many singapore entry stamps (meaning the car was driven there regularly in 75/76) but it was never registered there. I said earlier it was imported to Asia in the 80's, that's plain wrong (again from the owners memory) , it was here in Malaysia in 75.

 

The story about the injection pump has changed: The pump was sent to Koller & Schwemmer in Germany and documents show it was fully rebuilt with new cone and bearings in 1990...it arrived back in Malaysia (different from the earlier story) and was then lost by the workshop which had been charged with refitting it....

 

I am negotiating to buy it...not sure I want/need another 02...but it seems too good a car to miss...

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Congrats, now the fun begins.  Looks like it has had a hard life, it will be great to see it back on the road. 

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All,

I have completed the purchase of the car and have been trying to discover more history.

 

The Licence plate number of the car i have is WB8010, confirmed by the Malaysian transport department as the original from Jan 1975 first registration.

 

A friend sent me this pic of a Aug '75 magazine with a 'sister car', WB8009 !!

 

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So, there were at least two in Malaysia.

 

I now believe both cars were raced in an early Touring Car championship at a Malaysian circuit called 'Batu Tiga' : I hear this from retired guys with good memories of racing back then, they mention the name Ray Korman as either the driver or 'team principal' for these Touring Car races..

 

I can find news reports of  Ray Korman racing BMW 2002 Ti as part of a Thai team in 1972:

http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Article/straitstimes19720402-1.2.85.6

 

There's a profile of Ray that includes:

"Korman was sent to Thailand, where he served as advisor to Thai forces on counterinsurgency and defense.

While there, he combined his annual leave time with weekends to pursue his racing hobby. He competed in races in Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia."

(http://www.greensboro.com/for-ray-korman-success-has-been-no-accident/article_49c29ea7-927e-590c-8f70-8d3b2862bb9b.html)

 

That article indicates he returned to US in 1976...so the timing is about right to be racing here in 74/75..

 

I have not yet had a chance to read this "Asian Auto" article , still waiting for a copy.

 

I have written to Korman Autoworks to enquire about any memories of racing in Malaysia, if anyone has a direct contact to Ray I would appreciate if you could pass-on this message/thread.

 

Ray contacted me to say he raced 02s up to 1973 only, so the Korman connection is another example of hazy memory.

 

Further searching on the Straits Times archive indicates Pocholo Ramirez was driving an 02turbo at Batu Tiga in 1975:

http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Article/straitstimes19750705-1.2.126.16

 

dave

 

 

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Yesterday was the day to dismantle the car:

 

We found the the turbo was well worn, much slop in the bearings, it was clear that the engine must have been consuming a lot of oil due to the failing turbo.

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We pulled the head off the engine, all looks correct...spark plugs had been modified to deal with oil fouling from the turbo.

Rocker gear looked like new, no cam wear, no sludge.

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The block seems good, heavy carbon deposits but no wear ridge on the bores..

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The brakes front and rear are in great condition, no significant wear. Struts are in great condition, no rust.

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Rear trailing arms are the best I've seen, again no rust.

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The reason to strip it out is body rust. It needs sills and repairs to front floors, back half of the car is rust free. Only other rust is the top face of left front chassis rail, looks like battery acid damage.

 

So, what to make of it?

The papers and the speedo say 36K miles.

The block, brakes and interior condition would support 36k, but the expired turbo and missing injection pump say...more miles? Incompetent maintenance? 

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All,

I have continued my research to understand the history of the 2002turbo i recently purchased, registered WB8010, originally Polaris in colour.

I am now certain that this is the car that was raced by Pocholo Ramirez in July 1975 at a major regional saloon car race.

 

Firstly, it seems there were two 2002 turbos imported at the same time and registered WB8009 (white) and WB8010 (silver). The article referenced earlier in the thread in 'Asian Auto' magazine explains that the car they tested, WB 8009 belonged to a Mr TAN Kay Hock. I have the original paperwork for 8010 and it too was first owned by TAN Kay Hock, so he imported two cars together via BMW concessionaires in UK in late '74.

 

The magazine article mentions a Saloon Car endurance race held in July 1975 and the participation of a BMW 2002turbo, but which one? The event was called "The Enduro '75" and it took place at Shah Alam Circuit in Selangor, close to Kuala Lumpur. This circuit is known locally as Batu Tiga.

 

The New Straits Times of Friday July 4th 1975 announces that 1972/73 Filipino 'racing driver of the year' Pocholo Ramirez will be entering Enduro '75 with a "stock standard BMW 2002 turbo" and had surprised everyone by recording the fastest times in practice:

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The race itself is reported in the New Straits Times of Monday 7th July, and the BMW led the race until lap 76 when it "limped into the pits with the rear axle in flames" this is confirmed by 'Asian Auto' which says "the rear axle of the turbo caught fire..."

 

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The Asian Auto article has a pic of the car in the pits shrouded in smoke:

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So, interesting story...but which car was it?

 

Last week we stripped out the body of WB8010 and today I took a chance to look closely at the body...i realised that the silver paint of interior is blackened in the area of the floor above the rear axle:

 

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and in close-up you can see how the sound deadening has melted in the hot areas:

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This discolouration seems consistent with reports of the rear axle fire... my conclusion is that this car WB8010 is the car raced by Pocholo Ramirez in Enduro '75.

 

Still no further in understanding the Right Hand Drive conversion, but its seems less likely this was done before delivery to Malaysia and more likely it was converted after its racing career.

 

Why would the rear axle catch fire? It was a standard car, driven hard for 76 laps - could it be that the differential oil caught fire? Of course the fuel pump is nearby there, but fuel has a pretty high autoignition temperature...much more likely for oil to catch fire....I guess a limited slip diff thats working hard also gets much hotter than a standard diff...and being roadgoing spec there was no significant diff cooling arrangement....the Filipino guy overcooked it...

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interesting...raced with no evidence of any safety gear like roll cage, roll bar or harnesses....even back then most sanctioning bodies had some level of safety requirements.

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I'm still trying to understand the scene. You got all your mates to show up, help you strip the car down AND you have an outdoor lift!! Wow, I am woefully ill prepared if this is normal.

Congrats

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Here's the progress on fixing the body... Actually not too bad, sills good, chassis rails solid...

 

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All old paint removed by hand, body solid in all the suspect places

 

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much better than my Tii daily driver...

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