Left sideTurn Indicator 1970 2002

[JJordan]

Gentle-men, gentle-ladies and gentle-persons,

I'm restoring my 1970 2002, purchased new while on active duty in the USAF stationed in Germany.  Today's question has to do with what I think is the parking light that most cars in Europe had that would stay illuminated for longer periods of time while parked on the very narrow streets --commonly found in villages. The interior frame of the turn frame indicates that the light is a 4W / 2 CP. I haven't been able to find any references to this bulb in my limited supply of historical knowledge or owner's documentation and 3rd party service manuals.  Can anyone "throw some light" on this matter.

Many thanks in advance.

Jeff

 

 

[Tsingtao_1903]

I use BA9S.  They fit and work just fine.

 

Below is an example on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-Genuine-PHILIPS-12929-12V-4W-T4W-BA9s-Premium-Signaling-Lamp-Bulbs-/361946914995?hash=item5445b7a0b3:g:4bQAAOSw44BYkj9K&vxp=mtr

Edited April 7, 2017 by Tsingtao_1903

[JJordan]

Thank you Tsingtao.  I'll get a couple of those on order asap.

Have a fine weekend.

 

Jeff

[02Les]

The Euro cars had a "side light/parking light" in the headlight reflector (5W I think). I don't know of a Euro car with one in the front indicator light. Maybe this was a USA thing?

[HBChris]

The early 02s with the US flush lenses have this configuration, the 2W bulb is the parking light, it goes out when headlight is selected unlike later 02s where it stays on.  The euro cars must have a different stalk to engage the parking light when left is selected the two left side 2W bulbs are illuminated and vice versa for right side.

[John_in_VA]

My USA 1970 2002 # 1673695 had the bulge-style turn signals with 2 bulbs as seen in the original post.  I purchased it in 1980, so something may have been changed before I got it.  The smaller light would stay on when the car was off & the turn signal engaged.

[Mike Self]

John -- yours is the first "early" US spec (i.e.166/167xxxx VIN) I've seen or heard of that has the Euro "on street parking light" feature functional.   My '69 doesn't, nor to any other US spec '68s or '69s that I've seen.  Any other owners want to speak up here?    And I've not seen a "bulge" front turn signal with two bulbs; I thought they all had a single, two filament bulb.  

 

I think most if not all the "modell 71" cars (257/8/9xxxx) has this feature functional, although many owners don't realize it until they leave their turn signal engaged, after dark and then turn off the ignition.  Then when the squarelights came out, that feature was dropped on US cars.  

 

Yet another 2002 mystery....

 

mike

[EuroTech]

Hello, I'm wondering to was the answer is to the 2nd bulb turn lamps is out of curiosity as the broken one I removed from my original '75 has 2 bulbs, is it a euro feature?  Would it be active? Thanks in advance!!

[John_in_VA]

Older assemblies (like those on my USA 1970) used 2 single-filament bulbs, whereas newer ones used a single dual-filament bulb for running light & turn signal.

[EuroTech]

My assembly is date stamped 4?(this character is a little tough to read - but the 1975 stamping on it is clear. So why does my USA '75 have the two bulbs?


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[EuroTech]

After looking at the part stamping I think it says 05-1975 which is the month my 02 was built... here's a pic of the stamping


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[02Les]

FWIW

According to the BMW parts book.

Blinker c/w internal parking light was only for USA models. All Euro models had the parking/side light inside the headlight.

USA Blinker w separate 4W bulb used from (1602) 1570371 up to 1572693, (2002) VIN 1663616 up to 1677377, (2002A) 2531437 up to 2532126

USA Blinker w dual filament bulb 21/5W used from (1602) 1572693, (2002) 1677377, (2002A) 2532126 and all 2002tii.

[EuroTech]

I understand now, it was a USA thing for the early 02s.... FWIW my 1975 vin doesn't fall in those vin number listings for having them. Thanks for all the information!


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[Chester]

My '69 1600/2002 has the parking light that came on when the ignition was off and the turn signal was engaged for whichever side you wanted lit...

 

When parked on the street at parties I would spend half the night explaining that it was only a parking light and that my lights were not malfunctioning...

Had some interesting conversations that way!!

[jdt10768]

On 4/7/2017 at 11:29 PM, mike said:

John -- yours is the first "early" US spec (i.e.166/167xxxx VIN) I've seen or heard of that has the Euro "on street parking light" feature functional.   My '69 doesn't, nor to any other US spec '68s or '69s that I've seen.  Any other owners want to speak up here?    And I've not seen a "bulge" front turn signal with two bulbs; I thought they all had a single, two filament bulb.  

 

I think most if not all the "modell 71" cars (257/8/9xxxx) has this feature functional, although many owners don't realize it until they leave their turn signal engaged, after dark and then turn off the ignition.  Then when the squarelights came out, that feature was dropped on US cars.  

 

Yet another 2002 mystery....

mike

I am almost certain that my 1970 car with bulging US turn sigs (VIN# 1674882) has this feature. I will test and let you know. It's just something I never use, but recall testing it out when I first bought the car. It's a cool and interesting feature!