electrical and ignition Belt Alignment Problems - Stuck Pump??

[lobf]

So my alternator belt was squealing quite a bit after I reinstalled it (replacing water pump) and at a glance it looks like the pulleys on the alternator and the water pump aren't perfectly lined up. I'm guessing this is an issue with the bushings, so I'm wondering, can I get new bushings generically? Or do I need to order them in the mail? 

 

Trying to get my daily driver back on the road for work. 

 

Thanks! 

 

Edit: Top-down image of the alignment of the pulleys, annotated. http://imgur.com/a/Ztpgp

 

Edit- As noted in the latest reply, it looks like my brand new water pump is not spinning when I run the car. Why?? 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2016 by lobf

[tzei]

Wrong water pump? Seems that crank and alt pulleys are in line but wp is not. Maybe E21 wp pulley fixes your misaligment.

Edited September 5, 2016 by tzei

[Son of Marty]

Just now, tzei said:

Wrong water pump? Seems that crank and alt pulleys are in line but wp is not.

I agree the alt. pulley looks to be square to the crank pulley and if it was the bushings it would be tilted in toward the engine 

[lobf]

So it's not the bushings, since the alt would be tilted, copy that. 

 

I got this pump from my 2002 guru, I can't imagine he wouldn't have known what pump to order... And they look exactly the same http://imgur.com/a/ZT5Xr

 

Uuuugh, any recommendations on what to do? 

[Hans]

Does the alt have play at the bushings? Is the pump pulley seated properly?

[lobf]

Thanks for the reply, Hans. I guess I'll try and pull the belt pulley to see if there's any wonkiness there. That's just about the simplest part of the process, but then again I did let my girlfriend take care of that part... 

[tzei]

Measure distance from sealing face to pulley face. I belive you find something there. Source E21/12/28 pulley and call it a day. Last picture is nice but don't really show neck height difference.

[lobf]

26 minutes ago, tzei said:

Measure distance from sealing face to pulley face. I belive you find something there. Source E21/12/28 pulley and call it a day. Last picture is nice but don't really show neck height difference.

 

 

Classy... I'll check those measurements. 

 

http://imgur.com/a/t8vbv

 

I removed that piece from inside the pulley (seen in bottom of the photo) and it brought them closer together, but still not perfectly aligned. Is there an acceptable level of deviation between the pulleys or am I still in bad shape? 

[lobf]

Things seemed to line up better when I removed that piece from inside the pulley. I put on a new belt from O'Reilly's (busted the old one) over the alternator, fan pulley, and crank pulley, and fired up the car. The belt barely fit with my alternator at the lowest point it could go, but it seemed to have a decent amount of flex. 

 

It was squeaking a bit so I gave it some lube, and let it run to test my electric fan. 

 

As the thermostat approaches the red, it starts squeaking terribly, and now smoke seems to be coming from it, probably the belt burning from abrasion. Also now that it's warm, I swear the belt seems to be tighter, but there's nowhere for the alternator to go to to give it any slack. 

 

What am I missing here? Should I find a longer belt? 

 

Thanks folks...

[lobf]

http://imgur.com/a/2jkCe

 

Here are a couple of images of what I'm dealing with. As you can see, the alternator looks like it's being torqued to it's right, making things not line up quite right. Again it's weird in that it runs fine until it gets hot and then it starts squealing and smoking.

[Son of Marty]

Ok the last pictures with the belt on is showing bushing wear I would replace them with some poly ones from any of the FAQ vendors the rubber ones just don't last see if that take care of your squealing.

[PaulTWinterton]

Yes, the final pictures show your alternator is not square with the rest of the engine.  Funny, it didn't look that bad in the previous pictures.

I also notice that your WP pulley is not tucked in close to the WP.  If it's a rebuilt WP, the shaft hub may not have been pressed-on far enough.  The pulley should just about touch the input and output of the WP, but not quite.

 

Edited September 6, 2016 by PaulTWinterton

[lobf]

2 minutes ago, PaulTWinterton said:

 

I also notice that your WP pulley is not tucked in close to the WP. 

 

By that do you mean it should be closer to the block than to the nose? (more than it is now) 

[PaulTWinterton]

To the block.  You can see in my picture that the pulley almost touches the WP on the left.  I'd say it's 2mm clearance. 

Edited September 6, 2016 by PaulTWinterton

[Buckeye]

did you replace/remove alternator tension brackets when was working on water pump. alternator tension bracket has small bend to it and that bend needs to be towards back if I remember coreclty