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[Son of Marty]

By the way that is a C/R steering box all 2002 boxes have the adjustment screw and anyone car spray it red but the 177 at the end of the part number is what counts.

[2002 Life]

So your saying this isn't anything special? Or is it in fact a quick steer box?

[ray_]

36 minutes ago, 2002 Life said:

So your saying this isn't anything special? Or is it in fact a quick steer box?

 

http://www.bmw2002faq.com/search/?type=all&q=quick+ratio+steering+box+177

[2002 Life]

So it is in fact a Alpina quick steer box.  

 

I am slowly learning about this car and so far it seems like the person knew what he or she was doing. 

 

Now i I need to find out what else is upgraded already so I don't remove it. 

 

I am am looking in to a quick shift shifter and as I found out people are using the 74+ 2002 set up.  

Now I need to find out if this has already been upgraded or not. 

 

 

I will ill take more pics when I get home of the shift linkage. 

[TobyB]

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I can just install all of the safety stuff fix the body and track it??

 

Yep.  Don't seam weld it- that'll kick you right out of most stock classes.

Do fix the body 'stoutly'- no- one will ever ask you to cut a rocker apart

to prove that you didn't add extra metal inside it... 

 

Do look at the results online from SOVREN races- there are a half- dozen 2002's at any given SOVREN event.

I think they run as B-Sedan or TransAm Under2L or things like that...

And do go to their races to see what it's like.

 

t

 

[2002 Life]

Will do. 

[nbcbird]

BMWCCA Puget Sound Chapter has many track days and autocrosses throughout the region (and Portland) during the dryer months.  Start with the website: BMWCCA.org (Puget Sound).  Not racing per se but it will give you access to several tracks.  You may have better luck with an E30 since there is a very active Pro3 organization the Pacific NW.

Edited August 17, 2016 by nbcbird

[Teelinger]

I looked at that car and passed on it, but If that is a real CR steering box, you stole it for what you paid! 

 

Had I only known...

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/5729890367.html

 

James

[2002 Life]

I'm glad you passed on it. Even though it's a rust bucket it's got good racing potential.  Not a vintage restoration though unfortunately because of the rebuilt title. 

[AceAndrew]

Your linkage is an early style setup.  If you want to run a short shifter you will need the selector rod and joint from the later cars (they are still available new).

 

... and just to clear up any nomenclature missnomers.  You could buy a ZF close ratio box from bmw or alpina back in the day, not strictly an "alpina" part.

[2002 Life]

Ok.  Where is a good place to buy a later model shift set up? 

No one locally is parting one out. 

Dealer?

and as long as it's a quick steer box I don't really care if it's an Alpina part or not.  Less to spend on the build having one already. 

[AceAndrew]

... well if you are going to start racing, I'd suggest calling up Ireland Engineering.  
 

You'll have to wait until after the Monterrey and Oktoberfest festivities have subsided before Jeff will be around again.

 

In the future you can also touch base with http://www.vrmotors.com/index.html

[M3M3]

On 8/16/2016 at 11:41 AM, Son of Marty said:

By the way that is a C/R steering box all 2002 boxes have the adjustment screw and anyone car spray it red but the 177 at the end of the part number is what counts.

 

2 hours ago, Teelinger said:

, but If that is a real CR steering box,

 

 

 

James

 

1 hour ago, AceAndrew said:

 

 

... and just to clear up any nomenclature missnomers.  You could buy a ZF close ratio box from bmw or alpina back in the day, not strictly an "alpina" part.

 

just to clear up any nomenclature misnomers....

 

there is no such thing as a "CR" or "close ratio" STEERING BOX.....  CR / close ratio are names used for types of TRANSMISSIONS.  the close ratio refers to the gearset ratios inside a transmission being close numerically.

 

there is only ONE ratio in a steering box.  the name "QUICK ratio" is used with steering boxes that have fewer turns of the steering input for the same movement of the output arm/rack than a stock box has.

 

 

and....

a "QR" steering box is NOT needed, nor necessarily desired, in a race car, or any other car for that matter.  the fat tires, suboptimal scrub radius, lively alignment settings and small steering wheels found in most race/track cars actually make the QR boxes UN-desirable.   I will never understand the perceived cool factor, nor exorbitant prices of those QR boxes.  they are not better/faster.  they are just more rare.

Edited August 17, 2016 by mlytle

[TobyB]

Oh, I dunno, Marshall- the stock rack in the E30 is too slow for me...

I'd love some more resistance, better feel, and faster steering.

...never really had the stock box in the 2002 cause me any trouble, tho.

Of course, the 2002 was the one with 10" slicks, the E30 has to use 8" radials...

 

And try putting bushings into that stock early shifter before you toss it- I think the early 

setup's just fine, and it'll probably be better for racing, as it's tougher.  It's what I used,

and still use.  You can extend the shift fork below the ball a little bit if you want to shorten it some (not really needed)

and shorten the shift rod a tad and also bias the shifter towards you (really worth the effort, for my torso at least)

 

t

 

Edited August 17, 2016 by TobyB

[Teelinger]

Thanks for clarifying terminology Marshall. Noted. Always learn something new here.

 

RE: value. In this case the cost of purchase vs. market value of parts is in the owner's favor. Can't comment on functionality.