history and reference 2002 Tii Alpina A3?

[TheCollector]

Im looking at a German BMW 2002, and it has a 165PS Alpina engine in it, with various Alpina parts aswell, so as motorsport wide fenders, and i was wondering if it really is a Alpina from factory, how to see? it is a orginal Tii as i know, but i only have the vin to go from:
2708200, it should be an March 1972 car

[PaulTWinterton]

I would expect that the VIN is on 1) the engine block, 2) on the ID plate in engine bay, 3) on the right front inner fender (near the firewall), and 4) on the cover over the top of the steering column, behind the steering wheel.  Must be in all four places!

 

Other members will have to add comments.  That's all that I can confirm.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2016 by PaulTWinterton

[LarsAlpina]

Hi,

 

to identify an original Alpina car look out for:

- original Alpina invoice(s)

- original Alpina technical documentation

- Alpina numbers on cylinder head and if it is really an A3 on engine block, too.

- If it´s a german car and still has its original, first Kraftfahrzeugbrief, search for additional entries in it for the modifications done, that are stamped by the TÜV in Kaufbeuren or later Buchloe. Date preferably as close as possible to the date of first registration of the car.

 

In general I´m a bit reluctant to publicly post any pictures of original Alpina paperwork. With today´s technical capabilities of digital image processing and printing that might result in some new "original Alpina 02s" that never came anywhere close to Kaufbeuren/Buchloe taken into account how many additional $$$ some hours spent at a computer might create at the current price level for such cars. But as the following pictures were already to be found on different websites I won´t disclose any secrets, I think.

 

Example of a german Kraftfahrzeugbrief from a 2002tii that has been converted to Alpina A4 directly at Alpina:

 

 

Two pictures of Alpina invoices showing their early-type letterhead, technical documentation for early cars also came with that letterhead. All four document pictures below are from two cars that were sold outside Germany (a pig-cheek race car and an A4/S street car) and are therefor written in english language - documents for german delivered cars came in german language, of course.

 

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Two pictures from the technical documentation of a 2002tii Alpina A4/S showing their later-style letterhead:

 

 

Already some time ago Alpina has sent me a document showing where to find their numbers on head and block. Sorrowly I can´t post that here, because I had to promise not to make it public before I got it. But if you think you might have found Alpina numbers on the engine in question you can send me photos via PN - I will confirm if they´re in correct style and place then.

 

If you might find some Alpina paperwork concerning an A3 engine maybe, you can also send me scans of that via PN if you like. I do have copies for the complete paperwork of an 1971 Alpina A3 converted from new a friend of mine owns today. His father has bought the car from the first owner when it was about one year old and with that the car´s history is very well documented and the car is also still very close to original today. Sorrowly I don´t have permission to make those paperwork public either, but I can compare what you might find with what I have, if you like to.

 

Best regards, Lars. 

Edited July 31, 2016 by LarsAlpina

[NickVyse]

1 hour ago, PaulTWinterton said:

I would expect that the VIN is on 1) the engine block, 2) on the ID plate in engine bay, 3) on the right front inner fender (near the firewall), and 4) on the cover over the top of the steering column, behind the steering wheel.  Must be in all four places!

 

Other members will have to add comments.  That's all that I can confirm.

 

 

 

Lars says it all, and probably more than anyone else could, but just to keep facts straight, only US cars got the extra vin info behind the steering wheel. Well, may be some other markets, I don't know, but I've never seen one in Europe (and that's still including the UK, at least for now!). 

 

Nick

Edited July 31, 2016 by NickVyse
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[zinz]

Excellent work, Lars.  I was hoping you would reply to this.

 

Ed

[jrkoupe]

can we see pics????

[JsnPpp]

On July 31, 2016 at 6:40 PM, jrkoupe said:

can we see pics????

 

+1 !

 

Always fun to see photos, gives us a sense of perspective...

 

~Jason