other '72 tii value

[JBarrow]

I am looking for input on a value for the car presented in the link below.

 

http://www.roadtripcarolinas.com/web/vehicle_photos/1884449

 

The serial number looks like 2760770. The seller believes the actual mileage is 115,000.  He says there has been a previous floor pan repair.  The car does not have a sunroof and was originally Malaga, now Alpine White. I have a pre-purchase inspection scheduled for next week.

 

Thanks, I appreciate your help.

[jgerock]

That early VIN should not have aluminum intake runners..... Be careful

[TobyB]

The gearshift knob's upside down.  Offer 'em $50.

 

And it's white.  Not only do I hate white, it hides a multy-tood of sins beneath its glaring beauty.

Which only really means you have to go fondle it yourself, and bring a magnet.  Your hand can tell if a panel's lumpy

and your mirror- on- a- stick will tell you if there's rust or fresh undercoat underneath.

 

72 should have short rear bumper ends and stand- up overriders, and plastic intake runners, but wah, who cares about that?

 

I don't see anything really glaring, other than it seems to be really hard to clean hood hinges before you paint

(hint- it isn't, really)

And it's white.  White hides...

 

t

 

[ray_]

Here is it in Feb.

 

Les' database shows it was ebayed in 2009 as well...

 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2016 by ray_

[Mikesmalaga72]

Alpine white was not offered in 1972 the only white I know from 72 was Chamonix. Also I think the most common color for the seats and door panels were marine blue/black top borders and marine blue seat covers. the vin within the first 1000 cars thereabouts should have the 3.45 open or lsd diff, and black intake runners as well if the engine number matches the body.

Edited June 10, 2016 by Mikesmalaga72

[Conserv]

J,

 

We've fairly well critiqued this car previously:

 

Please read this carefully before you buy.  This is not a cherry collector car.  It's been passed from dealer to dealer.  That said, depending on any '72 tii's history of rust, there is some value that makes sense, and tii values keep rising.  This was listed and sold (and not sold) on eBay several times over the last year, by a dealer that seemed....un-impressive.  This started life as a Malaga car with Saddle interior and has gradually found itself in a BMW color, Alpine White, that entirely post-dates the 2002 era.

 

Given that little on this car appears to be original -- note the aluminum intake runners, as previously noted, and the '74-only accumulator -- my biggest concern would be rust, particularly rust that is hidden by thick undercoating or was badly repaired.

 

If your PPI says it's a peachy example, 100% original, he doesn't know '02's well.  If you review the linked thread, you'll see that Lisa requested and received the report from BMW Archives, verifying the manufacturing date and factory exterior color.

 

I'm not saying "Don't buy it."  I'm saying "Know what you're buying and pay accordingly."  Paying a couple thousand over "market" is not going to drastically change your overall position.  Just know if you're buying a former or present rust-bucket!

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited June 10, 2016 by Conserv

[LJtii]

I note there is no slightly cut-out section in the flange at the upper rear of the engine bay that I always thought was common to the Tii model. Any thoughts on that?

[Conserv]

50 minutes ago, LJtii said:

I note there is no slightly cut-out section in the flange at the upper rear of the engine bay that I always thought was common to the Tii model. Any thoughts on that?

 

LJ,

 

The tii firewall notch, an aid to engine timing, appeared with the aluminum intake runners and the E12 head late in the 1972 model year.  This is a January 24, 1972 car -- Lisa pulled the Archives report when we previously discussed the car -- so it should not have a firewall notch.

 

Regards,

 

Steve

 

Edited June 10, 2016 by Conserv

[JBarrow]

You have all been very helpful.  Thanks!

 

To summarize, the car has changed color, had the interior and bumpers replaced and the engine may not be original.  I will proceed with the PPI, but I would be surprised if the inspector has as much detailed knowledge of these cars as those of you who have contributed to this thread.  I will have the PPI try to determine if the engine is original (matching block number to the car VIN and looking for "121" on the head) and evaluate the state of current or past rust.

 

I am less interested in the car now, especially for the price that is being asked.

 

-James

[saaron]

I think the two things...you nailed them...how good is the body, really (in terms of rust), and is that the original engine w/incorrect runners / head / airbox, or is it a '74 tii motor in a '72.  

 

Personally, the white doesn't bug me too much, if the body was really solid and just the head had been replaced along w/the runners.  But a lot of the value to me is in the original engine part, and the quality of the metal.  If the engine is from a '74 and the body is bondo o rama, I personally wouldn't be excited to own it.

 

Scott

[JBarrow]

18 minutes ago, saaron said:

 If the engine is from a '74 and the body is bondo o rama, I personally wouldn't be excited to own it.

 

Scott

 

Agreed.  It is a sharp looking car and I do like the bright white paint.  I stumbled on this BMW while trying to find a Porsche 993 to replace my wife's 10-year old Cayman S.  Got a little sidetracked...

[saaron]

3 hours ago, JBarrow said:

 

Agreed.  It is a sharp looking car and I do like the bright white paint.  I stumbled on this BMW while trying to find a Porsche 993 to replace my wife's 10-year old Cayman S.  Got a little sidetracked...

 

Story of our lives..."sidetracked".  That's what this site should be called, lol.

 

Scott

[tomphot]

6 hours ago, JBarrow said:

 

Agreed.  It is a sharp looking car and I do like the bright white paint.  I stumbled on this BMW while trying to find a Porsche 993 to replace my wife's 10-year old Cayman S.  Got a little sidetracked...

 

Not too many years ago (5-7), you could find a 993 for what the price is for this Tii.  These days, a decent one is easily $50k plus   Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Edited June 10, 2016 by tomphot

[JBarrow]

The PPI has been completed on 2760770 and they found no major issues.  

 

The good news:  The body and chassis are in good shape and don't show signs of rust repair or abuse by former owners.  Shock towers appear original, there is some surface rust on the exhaust system and the engine has a number of small oil leaks (oil pan, valve cover and front engine cover).  The driveshaft support bearing is showing some wear.  The static compression test found 155-145-150-150 PSI for cylinders 1-4.  There are no cracks in the dashboard.

 

The bad news:  Even though I gave specific instructions to locate the engine number and head stamping, they did not, so there is no definitive answer as to what year the motor is from.

 

If I go and see the car in person I would want to answer the question about the engine.  Can anyone provide photos or directions on how to find the engine number and head marking "121" that identifies a 1972 tii engine?

[NYNick]

http://www.my2002tii.com/identify.htm

 

All the VIN"s should match. Easy to find.