engine and drivetrain Cost to refurb a 5 speed ?

[deschodt]

Ever since my car sat for a couple years (paint + rust removal), the 5 speed tranny has been notchy. Fresh tranny fluid and all... 1st and second are slow and hard to get into when cold (no grinding, no popping out of gear). 3/4/5 are like butter. It gets better as the car warms up, but it sounds like a rebuild is in order - sooner or later. How much does that cost, generally? Anyone got that done recently ?  

 

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Edited June 6, 2016 by deschodt

[jrkoupe]

 

 

 

 

do u always have to tease us w/ GTV pics alongside the 02?...lol

 

where is the Porsha?

 

I cant recall a post where some1 freshened up  a 5 spd....

 

PS

so a 74 gtv did not have huge bumpers yet bmw decided to use them on the 02s?....hmmmmm..wonder y?

 

 

one day Id love for you to compare the driving xperience of the 02 vs the GTV

Edited June 6, 2016 by jrkoupe

[peterschop]

Before pulling the tranny out, a fluid change may be in order.  Sitting for a couple of years won't cause wear. Give it  some Redline MTL and see if that makes it happy.

[TobyB]

You're going to have to search to find someone to do it, and if it needs more than a 

shift fork or something, it's gonna be really expensive.  Like $2500... the parts have gotten stupidly pricey recently.

 

In the old days, we'd say 'find another used box' but the supply is drying up...

 

"notchy"- like, it's hard to get it to shift cleanly?  Honestly, it really does sound like something is messed up

in the shift linkage/fork on the 1-2 collar. ...  .. .

 

t

 

[kbmb02]

^ 2nd Toby.

 

And, though I haven't checked the BMW parts bin myself, I've heard there's at least one split bearing for the Getrag 245 O/D gearbox which is NLA. -KB

[deschodt]

4 hours ago, jrkoupe said:

>do u always have to tease us w/ GTV pics alongside the 02?...lol

 

>where is the Porsha?

 

>one day Id love for you to compare the driving xperience of the 02 vs the GTV

 

1) Absolutely I do, any chance I get, and it's only the second time. Brace yourself for more ;-)  Thing is I've waited to get them together for a looooong time, so any excuse for a group shot ;-) 

 

2) At the shop for some MFI tuning (isn't that amusing? the italian one's been the most reliable)

 

3) Pics is one thing, but I don't wanna bore you guys... I'll PM you some when I write them up... Basically the alfa is smaller, lower, sound sportier, and is more special insde and out.... The bimmer is way more comfortable, more practical, bigger in back, a little slower but more playful without being scary, has some much more visibility and airiness.. and it's cute, people smile at it all the time, the alfa is less well known (but those who do go crazy too) ... I did not imagine - until putting them together - that the bimmer was so much bigger than the alfa. Mind my bimmer sits way too high ! 

 

4) gearbox: yeah I don't recall it like that. The tuners that redid my ECU programming noticed it was notchy and recommended a tranny flush. I obliged, with MTL. It shifts OK when warm, after 5 minutes or so. But cold - you need to shift slow and deliberately, put some strenght into it. As it warms up it gets smoother where you can shift faster and put less effort... But it's exclusively 1-2... On a Porsche I'd check the shift linkage's alignment for that plane, but I confess on the 2002 I know nothing about how the shifting works... 

Edited June 7, 2016 by deschodt

[deschodt]

Trying in the garage engine off: all gears are fine and similar. After going in reverse and then doing 1-2 I can feel a slightly notchier feel. But engine running is when the difference is most noticeable. Maybe it's a clutch thing.

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[Gordon]

22 hours ago, TobyB said:

You're going to have to search to find someone to do it, and if it needs more than a 

shift fork or something, it's gonna be really expensive.  Like $2500... the parts have gotten stupidly pricey recently.

 

In the old days, we'd say 'find another used box' but the supply is drying up...

 

+1 on supply drying up. Have you seen what E21's are going for lately? Prices for E21's have risen dramatically in the past couple of years. I can't remember the last time I saw a E21 in a pic-a-part yard. I remember going through three getrag 265 gearboxes in my former 73 E3 Bavaria before the third gearbox finally worked with no issues and didn't sound like a cement mixer.   If you happen to find a E21 5 speed donor car like this one in your neighborhood, jump on it because if you hesitate, it will be gone. https://springfield.craigslist.org/pts/5596083078.html  Face it folks, E21 5-speed donor cars aren't growing on trees these days. They are getting much harder to find in the past few years.

 

G-Man

[roadhog0]

2 hours ago, Gordon said:

+1 on supply drying up. Have you seen what E21's are going for lately? Prices for E21's have risen dramatically in the past couple of years. I can't remember the last time I saw a E21 in a pic-a-part yard. I remember going through three getrag 265 gearboxes in my former 73 E3 Bavaria before the third gearbox finally worked with no issues and didn't sound like a cement mixer.   If you happen to find a E21 5 speed donor car like this one in your neighborhood, jump on it because if you hesitate, it will be gone. https://springfield.craigslist.org/pts/5596083078.html  Face it folks, E21 5-speed donor cars aren't growing on trees these days. They are getting much harder to find in the past few years.

 

G-Man

Shit, I've seen four in wrecking yards this past year alone. One was even an IS! But ya, nab the parts when you can! I know I do!