body and interior 2002 Tii 72 - Grill Question

[renaudtwingo]

Hello

I am on the way to buy a 1972 2002 Tii, but I have some concerns about the grill.

I though the grill had chromium up to 1973: the grill is supposed to become black when the rear lights changed from round to square. So, all 2002Tii before end of 1972 are supposed to have a grill with chromium and round rear lights.

 

 

But unfortunately, the one I am looking was built in july 1972 and has a black grill with round rear lights.

 

Some exemples:

This 2002 Tii was built in July 1972 and has a grill with Chromium

 

 

This 2002 Tii was built in June 1972 and has a black grill without chromium:

 

 

Do you know how to explain this difference?

Thanks a lot for your help, I am very new in the 2002 world...

Edited December 22, 2013 by renaudtwingo

[dbmw2002]

Calling Mike, he will set us straight on this one. I thought all roundies had the twin strips of chrome showing and sqware tails had all black, hope your tii is all you hope for this is a small detail but be deligent in inspection before the cash is dropped.

[renaudtwingo]

Thanks DBMW2002,

I thought the same, thanks for your confirmation.

This 2002Tii is to be restored.

My other concern is to verify the VIN on the engine. Do you know if there is an easy way to check it without dismounting the air filter?

[ray_]

The car in your lower pic has the optional quad lights grills. Macartneys book says "the quad headlamp grills were mostly black plastic, and were made in both early and late types."

 

Someone may have fitted the later quad grills. The quad grills are quite rare.

 

Cheers,

[John_in_VA]

The Golf yellow one looks correct. The 2nd one has dual headlights, which was not a factory setup, so it might be a custom job.

The VIN on the engine is stamped onto the machined boss at the rear of the engine just above the starter bolts, back near the firewall.

[renaudtwingo]

Actually the 2 previous pictures were examples. The car I am looking for is this one:

 

Edited December 22, 2013 by renaudtwingo

[ray_]

Those look the the correct grills, painted. Here's the later style grills:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-2002-non-tii-1974-bmw-2002-/251405552548?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3a88f04ba4&item=251405552548&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

[hip2B74-76]

Looks like it may have had the nose replaced with a later (74-76) version. Is there a snorkel on the core support?

[AceAndrew]

Actually the 2 previous pictures were examples. The car I am looking for is this one:

 

 

Well those are the correct grills/noes, just looks like someone's taken a can of spray paint to them.  Pretty common back in the day to give your older car the look of a newer one. (at least that's what I'm told by my great great grandfather).

Edited December 22, 2013 by AceAndrew

[renaudtwingo]

Looks like it may have had the nose replaced with a later (74-76) version. Is there a snorkel on the core support?

What do you call a Snorkel? (sorry I am French).

If it can help, here is the engine compartment:

 

[ray_]

Your pic further indicates your grills are correct.

 

Just to the right of the radiator would be a snorkel, if that nose had been replaced. As shown here http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/raykoke/IMG_0007-1.jpg

 

Tiis did not have snorkel noses but it seems most replacement noses were snorkels. So one can infer your nose was not replaced,

[renaudtwingo]

OK, I understand.

So from another angle:

[ray_]

De rien. Bu ke qi!

 

;-)

[renaudtwingo]

My main concern now is to check the engine number.

I am currently located in Singapore and this car is in south of France.

My friend went to see it, but told me it is impossible to check without removing some parts of the engine. Do you confirm?

I will send you more pictures just after.

Edited December 22, 2013 by renaudtwingo

[LJtii]

See the post above from John in VA. The bottom right photo shows where the car's VIN is stamped into the engine block. Not hard to find if you know where to look, and it can be done without removing parts.