other Alpina

[djminkin]

Looking to purchase an authentic Alpina 2002.  If anyone knows of one for sale please send me a message. Thanks! 

[Conserv]

As I'm certain you know, these are very rare, and much rarer in the U.S. than in Europe (I can't tell where you are located).

2002AD is still displaying a '74 Alpina they sold in February 2013.

The following, on the other hand, is not a factory Alpina, but, as a 2002ti with Alpina upgrades, ca. 1981, it is at least somewhat in the ballpark and, I believe, for sale. Not mine, no affiliation, and the topic of a long, sometimes-rancorous thread approximately a year ago (search forums on "Alpina 2002ti" or similar).

http://bmw2002ti.com

Good luck with your search.

Steve

Edited October 16, 2013 by Conserv

[markmac]

I had forgotten about that car, interesting grouping of parts on a pretty rare car in a great color.  Sorry to say too bad they did such a cr#p job of photographing it.  Its funny, you really don't get a good lack at anything with the pictures they posted.  I am sure they are asking a lot of $$$ for it ...... and as such you would think the photography would be just a bit better (They should have hired Jim G to photograph the thing).  I know of several cars, unfortunately none for sale (and none on this continent).

 

I found this car a while ago (see link below) and had a few people contact me about it.  It is apparently still for sale (I say apparently because you never know, it may have been sold.....).  I have no first hand knowledge, but based on the fact it has been for sale for a long (long) time it either has a story (or likely stories) or is very pricey (or both).

 

While debated over and over, from my perspective if the car has a factory build sheet from AlpinA it is an "AlpinA", otherwise it is a BmW (2oo2) with some cool AlpinA performance parts added ... of course that is only my opinion.  Good luck with your search.

 

 

http://www.bramclassauto.com/property/1972-bmw-2002-alpina/

 

www.alpinabmw2002.com

[Conserv]

Sorry to say too bad they did such a cr#p job of photographing it.  Its funny, you really don't get a good lack at anything with the pictures they posted.  I am sure they are asking a lot of $$$ for it ...... and as such you would think the photography would be just a bit better (They should have hired Jim G to photograph the thing).

+1

So is the air filter housing on the Bramhall car a typical Alpina style? (Unlike a ti or tii housing -- which would be bolted to welded-on brackets -- this one looks like a pure bolt-on style.)

Regards,

Steve

[dbmw2002]

Looking to purchase an authentic Alpina 2002. If anyone knows of one for sale please send me a message. Thanks!

 

This is an entirely enviable position to be in, the cost of admission alone is exorbant, maintenence would be absurd. Personaly I would like to dream, engineer, design and finaly build a Ti that would spank AlpinAs finest, yes two carbs and a stik shift, a properly engineered and built motor that wouldnt withstand the stresses, would thrive in the race mode, lets say it would scream like a bat out of hell, stink like a bat out of hell, and look like a bat out of hell, might even call it a Zombat, then I would feel the thrill of building something cool, not buying something cool, dont take this wrong, I just love building things, and bats

[Cru Jones]

...I just love building things, and bats

I got a good laugh out of that post. lol

[LarsAlpina]

So is the air filter housing on the Bramhall car a typical Alpina style? (Unlike a ti or tii housing -- which would be bolted to welded-on brackets -- this one looks like a pure bolt-on style.)

 

 

Hi Steve,

 

with converting non-TI/tii body shells Alpina used a special made sheet metal to fix the air filter housing, they didn´t screw or weld in the original brackets from the TI/tii cars. The Alpina sheet metals looked a bit different than the one on the Bramhall car - at least the ones I´ve seen. Here´s a photo from 24/1968 Auto, Motor und Sport article Bayrische Bombe:

 

 

Filter housing is still from 2002TI. One can simply screw off the original brackets from the filter housing and bolt on the sheet metal. Take off the two end caps from the TI filter housing, use some air filters with bigger diameter then the original TI/tii ones, two plates, a threaded rod with two nuts and you have a so-called "Alpina air filter". Sometimes additonally the side plates of the middle part of the TI can have been cut out to allow more airflow. 

 

One thing still to mention: The Alpina badge on the valve cover like to be seen on the photo was essentially only mounted in press cars meant for testing with motor journalists. Cars delivered to normal customers had valve covers just painted dull or later on wrinkled black. If you wanted a badge on the valve cover this was a special order option and nothing stock for an Alpina car (if it is anyway possible to consider anything "stock" on the small number of early Alpina cars built).

 

Best regards, Lars.

[LarsAlpina]

I found this car a while ago (see link below) and had a few people contact me about it.  It is apparently still for sale (I say apparently because you never know, it may have been sold.....).  I have no first hand knowledge, but based on the fact it has been for sale for a long (long) time it either has a story (or likely stories) or is very pricey (or both).

http://www.bramclassauto.com/property/1972-bmw-2002-alpina/

 

Mark,

 

what exactly is Alpina on the Bramhall car? The badges and stickers? Or the Weber conversion? I don´t see any special Alpina parts on the photos on their website.

 

Best regards, Lars.

[markmac]

Lars, like I said, I am only aware of the car because a few folks contacted me about it.  Since I have my hands full with my own AlpinA car (as you know), I really don't have the time or desire to "investigate" a car like this (since I am not being paid to do it, and am not interested in purchasing....even if it did have AlpinA paperwork.....).  I was told later on that the car (allegedly) had a factory build sheet on the motor, however I never followed up to see if it was ever produced.  Other than that, like you said, some badges and stickers and a set of Weber carburettors.   It could very well be just a bunch of cobbled together parts ..... some not even Alpina ones at that.  Once again, shocking at the cr*p pictures people put together on things like this, not any one picture shows very much of the car.  I should think if it were legit, it would be in a collection and not for sale....

 

MM

 

www.alpinabmw2002.com

[djminkin]

I had forgotten about that car, interesting grouping of parts on a pretty rare car in a great color.  Sorry to say too bad they did such a cr#p job of photographing it.  Its funny, you really don't get a good lack at anything with the pictures they posted.  I am sure they are asking a lot of $$$ for it ...... and as such you would think the photography would be just a bit better (They should have hired Jim G to photograph the thing).  I know of several cars, unfortunately none for sale (and none on this continent).

 

I found this car a while ago (see link below) and had a few people contact me about it.  It is apparently still for sale (I say apparently because you never know, it may have been sold.....).  I have no first hand knowledge, but based on the fact it has been for sale for a long (long) time it either has a story (or likely stories) or is very pricey (or both).

 

While debated over and over, from my perspective if the car has a factory build sheet from AlpinA it is an "AlpinA", otherwise it is a BmW (2oo2) with some cool AlpinA performance parts added ... of course that is only my opinion.  Good luck with your search.

 

 

http://www.bramclassauto.com/property/1972-bmw-2002-alpina/

 

www.alpinabmw2002.com

 

I agree.  I own a E9 E3 and E21 Alpina.  It is very important to have a documented car. The paperwork is as important as the car! Thanks for the feedback.

 

 

[kris]

I checked as it is local to me and I'm always up for a special car. No build sheet and a $35k ask. Pretty but steep. Vin suggests it's a late 70 or early 71. My guess is someone brought it in from Europe or Japan along with the Turbo they show. Too bad it's not being driven and none of us in Toronto have ever seen it or an owner at any local shows or events.

[Conserv]

Hi Steve,

 

with converting non-TI/tii body shells Alpina used a special made sheet metal to fix the air filter housing, they didn´t screw or weld in the original brackets from the TI/tii cars. The Alpina sheet metals looked a bit different than the one on the Bramhall car - at least the ones I´ve seen. Here´s a photo from 24/1968 Auto, Motor und Sport article Bayrische Bombe:

 

Alpina Lufi-Halter Blech.jpg

 

Filter housing is still from 2002TI. One can simply screw off the original brackets from the filter housing and bolt on the sheet metal. Take off the two end caps from the TI filter housing, use some air filters with bigger diameter then the original TI/tii ones, two plates, a threaded rod with two nuts and you have a so-called "Alpina air filter". Sometimes additonally the side plates of the middle part of the TI can have been cut out to allow more airflow. 

 

One thing still to mention: The Alpina badge on the valve cover like to be seen on the photo was essentially only mounted in press cars meant for testing with motor journalists. Cars delivered to normal customers had valve covers just painted dull or later on wrinkled black. If you wanted a badge on the valve cover this was a special order option and nothing stock for an Alpina car (if it is anyway possible to consider anything "stock" on the small number of early Alpina cars built).

 

Best regards, Lars.

Greatly appreciated, Lars.

Terrific write-up and photo! I learned lots!

Best,

Steve

[markmac]

Lars is the "boss" when it comes to this stuff.   Learned a lot of stuff from him over the years.

[LarsAlpina]

Well Mark,

 

thank you very much, but: Overpraise, I´m afraid. There are others on the FAQ that I would consider much "bossier" than me.

 

Best regards, Lars.

[tim355]

I too looked long and hard for an originally modified Alpina 2002. I was a 2002 collector at the time and had close to 35 2002's in my shop. (it's a disease, I know) I was unable to find one. From what I know, very few cars went to Alpina in the early days for factory modifications.

 

So i did the next best thing, I built and Alpina tribute car. Fortunately, I'm over my disease and moved to Key West, Florida. I still have an S14 modified car that is stored in Seattle and I drive it while I'm there during the summer months.

 

About the car. 

 

It's a 1972 Polaris Tii. VIN 2761940

 

It just went thru a multi year restoration at Midnight Motorsports (Seattle) for the mechanicals and is currently at Coup King for interior and body work. It was stored for 15 years prior to that. It's still sitting at Coup Kings place in California.   I have never driven it. 

 

Alpina parts include:

 

Alpina A4S throttle bodies and air box (engine completely rebuilt by Patrick at Midnight Motorsports, KF pump rebuilt by Wes Ingram)

CR 235 transmission, lightened flywheel. 

CR steering box

Alpina struts (green dot)

Alpina front caliper and disc brakes

Alpina adjustable sway bars

Original Alpina seats (Sheel) front and back (bought in Germany)

New 3 piece mesh wheels made by KoogleWerks (Limmerfelgen) to original Alpina specs.

Alpina steering wheel and gearshift 

3 piece VDO gages in console

Crack free European 2 piece dash (no seat belt warning light)

I'm certain there are other Alpina bits that escape me

 

It took a very long time to get my hands on all of the parts.

 

If you have an interest you should know that the price will be 6 figures.

 

Reach out if you like