engine and drivetrain High Tech 2002s...

[Rocan]

As an engineering student and someone obsessed by the purity of old vehicles yet understanding of new technologies, I enjoy combining the two as much as possible. Many of us use fuel injection, electronic ignition, turbos, electric fans... all newer technologies.

My ultimate plans for my 02 include all of the above, as well quite a bit more... Dry sump oil system, launch/traction control (necessary for a well built turbo system in the wet, car is daily driven) data logging, the whole shebang.

So I've got to thinking, who has the most high-tech 2002? Anyone running electronic diffs, electric water pumps, traction control, electronic suspension adjustment? I know some of the hill climb cars are pretty amazing, but most of those have V8s and sequential transmissions.

Every little bit of technology improves the m10 so drastically; just from going to megajolt I picked up close to 10% across the board as well as instant throttle response, instant cold starts, and so much more.

[creede]

I know there have been some pretty tech ones built on the board. A few have done power locks, maybe even power windows. Remote trunk lock has been done too. There are plenty of people running megasquirt either with M10's or M20's. There is a great M20 build going on now that will have dry sump. Lot's of solid engineering in that build.

I'd love to hear more about traction control. Is that something you can do with Vems or Megasquirt? I would love to have that and ABS on mine eventually for safety reasons.

[Rocan]

I know megasquirt V3 supports it, not sure if VEMS can do it too. It's still being developed, but the general principle is that you place magnetic speed sensors on the front wheels and rear wheels and when the megasquirt senses that the rear wheels are spinning faster than the front (the amount of spin is modifiable by the user...) it cuts power until the wheels are spinning at the same speed. Usually 10-20 percent of spin (look at it as a ration between front wheels and rear wheels) is allowed before power is cut. Too little an amount and it may start cutting power in tight turns.

ABS would be a little more difficult to implement, but the idea is the same

[AndyS]

Not sure this would count but: My wife's 02 has maybe 1st electric speedo implanted(before Jake) A/C rotary compressor, M42/ turner chip/4 speed automatic with brain, satellite radio, heated seats, LED tail lights, E30 sport mirror and new fancy cup holder.

Like I said not sure it would count for what you are looking for.

[Conway]

As a fellow engineer, I can understand the idea the use of modern technology in these cars. However, what I love about my car is the lack of technology. I feel like I've had to learn to drive all over again since purchasing my car last year, and I've loved every minute of it. It's a more grounded, visceral feeling than any modern car can provide (IMO). The noise, the smells, etc. I'm sure you feel the same way.

Now, that being said. Go for it! I'm not poo-pooing any of your ideas. As a matter of fact, it would be very interesting to see what can be accomplished with these cars with some modern technology.

[M3M3M3]

bah....all those electronic geehaws like launch/traction control, abs, elec diffs and elec suspensions are just crutches for people who don't actually know how to drive....;-)

very interesting from a tech implementation perspective, but.....no substitute for controlling a car with brain, feet and hands!

(coming from a guy who does technology for a living and whose 02 is kinda sorta modernized...)

[Rocan]

bah....all those electronic geehaws like launch/traction control, abs, elec diffs and elec suspensions are just crutches for people who don't actually know how to drive....;-)

very interesting from a tech implementation perspective, but.....no substitute for controlling a car with brain, feet and hands!

(coming from a guy who does technology for a living and whose 02 is kinda sorta modernized...)

Haha, I'm with you on having as raw a feeling as possible. When it comes to handling and braking, I prefer no computer input... There is simply no substitute for knowing how to drive. The only point of the traction control would be for practicality reasons. Daily driving a 300+Hp 2500lb car would be... Interesting... In the dry, let alone on wet ground. Of course you can always reduce the boost for the wet months, but the occasional wet patch of road +boost means its a good idea to have something to keep things moving in a straight line.

This thread is more about seeing what could be done, even if you don't need it. If my girlfriend wants to drive the car and I have the option of turning on abs or traction control, I absolutely would.

[Mike Self]

3002ttii--it has an M54 engine with twin turbos (before BMW did this), a rear-mounted transaxle (!).

The whole story of Paul's car ran in either the July or August 2006 BMW CCA Roundel magazine. The engineering is incredible.

cheers

mike

[LarryS]

I always thought it would be kind of cool to have smart cruise control.

Texas has some very long, straight interstates and everybody drives at different speeds.

[M3M3M3]

3002ttii--it has an M54 engine with twin turbos (before BMW did this), a rear-mounted transaxle (!).

The whole story of Paul's car ran in either the July or August 2006 BMW CCA Roundel magazine. The engineering is incredible.

cheers

mike

3002ttii for the win!

[Eau_Rouge]

There was a build documented on this site a few years ago where an individual from New Zealand I believe swapped the front/rear sub frames/steering/suspension and entire drive train from and OBDII 318ti. Essentially his 2002 was a 318ti underneath.

If you're willing to do the same, there's no reason you can't have ABS brakes/cruise and traction control - if those cars came with it plus all the other tech that the OBDII 318ti's came with. You can also turbo/supercharge the m44...it's been done many times.

[Eau_Rouge]

There was a build documented on this site a few years ago where an individual from New Zealand I believe swapped the front/rear sub frames/steering/suspension and entire drive train from and OBDII 318ti. Essentially his 2002 was a 318ti underneath.

If you're willing to do the same, there's no reason you can't have ABS brakes/cruise and traction control - if those cars came with it plus all the other tech that the OBDII 318ti's came with. You can also turbo/supercharge the m44...it's been done many times.

[Rocan]

3002ttii--it has an M54 engine with twin turbos (before BMW did this), a rear-mounted transaxle (!).

The whole story of Paul's car ran in either the July or August 2006 BMW CCA Roundel magazine. The engineering is incredible.

cheers

mike

Anyone have a link? That sounds amazing!

The main reason I dislike the straight 6 swaps was because of the weight distribution... A transaxle definitely makes things far better.

[Chamonix72]

http://classicandvintagebmw.tumblr.com/19743002twinturbo

3002ttii--it has an M54 engine with twin turbos (before BMW did this), a rear-mounted transaxle (!).

The whole story of Paul's car ran in either the July or August 2006 BMW CCA Roundel magazine. The engineering is incredible.

cheers

mike

Anyone have a link? That sounds amazing!

The main reason I dislike the straight 6 swaps was because of the weight distribution... A transaxle definitely makes things far better.

[Rocan]

http://classicandvintagebmw.tumblr.com/19743002twinturbo

3002ttii--it has an M54 engine with twin turbos (before BMW did this), a rear-mounted transaxle (!).

The whole story of Paul's car ran in either the July or August 2006 BMW CCA Roundel magazine. The engineering is incredible.

cheers

mike

Anyone have a link? That sounds amazing!

The main reason I dislike the straight 6 swaps was because of the weight distribution... A transaxle definitely makes things far better.

My jaw is on the floor. That is AWESOME.